Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 19, 2025 - 11:43 |
 
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So like Super League but with more SPP?
Call it Hyper League |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 19, 2025 - 11:50 |
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| CrisisChris wrote: | | And maybe even Matt would like it: No freaks! :-p |
Nah. If that's what he wanted, he'd play the NAF events that get run on fumbbl. Superleague. Eurobowl training. those type of things |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 19, 2025 - 11:51 |
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| Sp00keh wrote: | So like Super League but with more SPP?
Call it Hyper League |
Or Mega-League (coach rankings are Super Star and Mega-Star, so Super League and Mega-League).
Spookeh is right: I don't like the NAF format because tier 1 rosters are too good compared to the tier 2 and 3.
I could like it if if rosters were more balanced at low TV. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 19, 2025 - 11:53 |
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NAF events / tournaments / eurobowl / etc specifically have skillpack balancing so that tier1 gets less stuff, so that it attempts to be more balanced
That's the closest you're ever gonna get to "balance" for rosters in this game, yet you never even try it out |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 19, 2025 - 11:54 |
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Yes, I know that, but bolting on skills is not a good way to balance teams.
I would remake some rosters from scratch.
To really have balance the same race with the same roster should be used by all the coaches.
Randomize a race and a roster, everybody plays that in a NAF tournament.
Instant balance. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 19, 2025 - 11:57 |
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OK so reject something 'close' because it's not 'perfect'... this is not going to lead you to happiness
Make your own game exactly how you think it should be, then, and play that instead
Make your own league here with all identical roster! people might join. There's nothing stopping you trying this, but instead you go round and round in circles on forum instead
Trying to change this game.. it's never going to happen. No one has agreed with any of your proposals |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:06 |
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I wasn't complaining about people not agreeing with my proposals. I offered ideas, if they are not liked amen, I wasn't insisting. I will just activate higher TV teams than 1000 or so as workaround.
I can make my own game but I can't make people.
The same goes for making a private league here. People would not play in it and, assuming some would do, a private league hardly plays 2+ games a day every day.
I'm not going in circles, I'm just politely replying to posts. 
I have not been writing anything on the thread before TheArtemisBlack asked me questions yesterday. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:07 |
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| CrisisChris wrote: | I guess it is only a perceived 'fact' that most coaches spinning in the box are quite good. Which does not mean there are others as well. I test my luck there as well with some squishy Elves, so there is easy bait sometimes.  |
Yes and no.
Depend which Box:
Trophy Box games yes. Good coaches.
Outside BB Trophy? very questionable.
Box games with teams with more than 15 games was (*) no guarantee of seeing good coaches (at least not on both sides).
Most of good coaches play the Trophy and competitive tournaments, so depend "which Box" you refer.
I used to spectate many Box games of teams with more than 15 games (as I am bad coach at medium/High TV i am terribly self critics I'm hungry to learn how to play better so I tell myself a good way to learn is to watch Box games) but I have often been disappointed as the matches were always the same (either between the usual two experienced coaches who activates in Box over 15 matches, or by one of them against less experienced coaches so quite boring matches)
(*)
I used "was" because this was BEFORE the redraft.
What i think (more I hope) is that now with seasons redraft many more "good" coaches will spin in Box teams with more than 1 season, so we can watch more interesting games and increase the rate of good coaches in Box "in general".
But it is more of a hope need to be verified within time.
So far the trend seems good.
And it is another reason to praise the way Christer has implemented this season redraft based on the 15 games that is perfect ! |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:07 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | Yes, I know that, but bolting on skills is not a good way to balance teams.
I would remake some rosters from scratch.
To really have balance the same race with the same roster should be used by all the coaches.
Randomize a race and a roster, everybody plays that in a NAF tournament.
Instant balance. |
Sure, you can do that. 
Draft leagues seem popular at the moment.
The problem with tweaking the rosters is that people won't agree what the tweaks should be. Some people won't play because it's not official. Some people will want tweaks but not the agreed tweaks. GW will probably produce something... poor.
You don't need 20+ balanced rosters. As long as no 1 or two are too far ahead of the next 4/5/6 that should be enough IMO.
Is that the case with res?
Would that be the case with res with extra skills? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:10 |
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I don't like the concept of resurrection (apart from Regeneration), because for me it's not Blood Bowl without permanent injuries.
That doesn't mean that people should not play the res formats, of course.
Just, I well know what I like and what I dislike. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:14 |
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| RDaneel wrote: |
Yes and no.
Depend which Box:
Trophy Box games yes. Good coaches.
Outside BB Trophy? very questionable. |
I mean, blackbox is blackbox, it doesn't matter if your team is in the trophy or not
Also, the whole point of BBT was to encourage the top coaches to spend time playing bad rosters instead of top rosters |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:15 |
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"I want A"
ok well why don't you do B which is similar
"No I don't want B, I want C"
ok well why don't you do D which is similar
"No I don't want D, I want E"
...on and on, for 7 pages, changing each time |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:20 |
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I didn't say I wanted NAF formats, I just pointed out that NAF format is competive too (when talking about BBT).
I can say that B is better than A or as good as A (in absolute) without personally liking both of them (relatively).
About 15 games: I think that 15 games allow to keep freaks and Linemen with random G and S skills for longer, but if that's what people here want, ok. Let's enjoy games vs minmaxed Norse and Amazon teams!
What is changing, by the way? I offered the idea of a 12-game Season.
It was rejected, so I offered, as alternative, to make a virtual Box TV properly calculating the cheap G and S skills for Box pairing purpose (which is in theory doable because it doesn't touch the official rules).
It's not me changing my mind, just trying to offer alternative ideas to counter minmaxed teams.
That's the aim.
About encouraging people playing bad rosters: what would encourage me to play a tier 3 is a higher CR reward (that means, gaining lot of CR points when winning and losing very few CR points when tying and losing).
Since the CR risk/reward of playing a tier 3 is not worth it, I don't play tier 3 teams. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:30 |
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Your position changes with every post
The game's not changing its core rules. Please accept this
The C division's not changing its core rules. Please accept this
People (for some reason) are responding trying to address your concerns, within the constraints of what is / isn't going to change
And then your response is basically always to reject what they're saying. But we've covered so much, so many posibilities, that you no longer have room to be consistent in what you're rejecting, and advocate things you rejected previously, or reject things you advocated previously
So the only consistency is: your rejections
So either this whole thing is bad-faith, or you've not yet accepted that the game isn't going to have major changes
Please accept that the game is stuck as it is. These threads go on and on because we're trying, but honestly, I don't know why any more |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 19, 2025 - 12:32 |
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| Sp00keh wrote: | "I want A"
ok well why don't you do B which is similar
"No I don't want B, I want C"
ok well why don't you do D which is similar
"No I don't want D, I want E"
...on and on, for 7 pages, changing each time |
Actually, he has been pretty consistent for years.
I have some of the same preferences.
I don't want to play res but we were talking about what is the most competitive environment. (A bit off topic)
That looks like the top few divs of Super League to me. (I'm not going to crunch any numbers though. ) |
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