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| Best thing about 2025 edition? |
| Removal of Loner from Goblin Trolls |
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34% |
[ 38 ] |
| Allowing Chainsaws to do Stunty Dodges |
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21% |
[ 23 ] |
| Taunt on the Ooligan and they're cheaper |
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6% |
[ 7 ] |
| Something not Goblin related... |
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37% |
[ 41 ] |
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| Total Votes : 109 |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 12, 2025 - 10:39 |
 
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| Vicen wrote: | In any case, I'm discovering the Stats tab on Fumbbl, it's captivating.
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Snotlings Tier 1 (55% win-rate) in 2024 
(as might be expected, team statistics are highly dependent on the level of their coaches) |
Snotlings were pretty broken early on this current edition... thet could induce morg Flem it was ridiculous and one of the primary reasons for the introduction of mega stars... along with the early edition bomber issue...
I know christer has bigger fish to fry right now. But I'd love a remove mirror match toggle some day... |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Nov 12, 2025 - 11:01 |
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In the “Versus” tab, it's not possible.
But in "Results" tab, there is a mirrors option Y/N. |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Nov 15, 2025 - 06:20 |
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About Official Tier List:
I don't understand what the Dwarf team is doing in Tier 1. Orc or Shambling would have been better candidates.
EDIT:
That said, Dwarf still a team with a lot of block. With Devious acess and Bribes. |
Last edited by Vicen on Nov 16, 2025; edited 2 times in total |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 15, 2025 - 10:27 |
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| Vicen wrote: | About Official Tier List:
I don't understand what the Dwarf team is doing in Tier 1. Orc or Shambling would have been better candidates. |
Even more egregious is snotlings in tier4... frankly that list is just bollocks.. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Nov 15, 2025 - 13:37 |
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SergeiBautin
Joined: Jul 15, 2004
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Nov 16, 2025 - 11:02 |
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I heard something about you will only get to choose the same skill for 4 players on your team. Darkelves wont get dodge en masse anymore, think they are Tier 2. Dwarves? Prolly tier 2 as well. |
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sebco
Joined: Feb 14, 2005
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Nov 16, 2025 - 11:57 |
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| SergeiBautin wrote: | | I heard something about you will only get to choose the same skill for 4 players on your team. (...) |
That was a rule for last EuroBowl/EurOpen. This is not in BB 2025 rulebook. That said, in this rulebook, there are now Elite skills : Block, Dodge, Guard and Mighty Blow. These four Elite skills cost +10.000. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 16, 2025 - 12:05 |
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| SergeiBautin wrote: | | I heard something about you will only get to choose the same skill for 4 players on your team. Darkelves wont get dodge en masse anymore, think they are Tier 2. Dwarves? Prolly tier 2 as well. |
I think you're talking about res. This is a tier list for blackbox |
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sebco
Joined: Feb 14, 2005
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Nov 16, 2025 - 12:49 |
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| SergeiBautin wrote: | | I heard something about you will only get to choose the same skill for 4 players on your team. (...) |
| sebco wrote: | | That was a rule for last EuroBowl/EurOpen. This is not in BB 2025 rulebook. That said, in this rulebook, there are now Elite skills : Block, Dodge, Guard and Mighty Blow. These four Elite skills cost +10.000. |
| Garion wrote: | | I think you're talking about res. This is a tier list for blackbox |
Ah yes, you're right. In the rulebook, there's a chapter about matched play (so, resurrection tourneys) and they write "Elite skills can only be taken a maximum of four times".
So, my bad, there's something about that in the rulebook. I only don't know if many NAF tourneys will apply that.
And that's irrelevant for blackbox, yes. |
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Loon
Joined: Aug 14, 2024
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Nov 16, 2025 - 19:42 |
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I’m glad that GW is here to set everyone straight that Chorfs are indeed one of the best teams in the game. Happy they went with their gut feels instead of doing pointless playtesting. |
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EastCoast
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
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Nov 16, 2025 - 20:22 |
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| Loon wrote: | | I’m glad that GW is here to set everyone straight that Chorfs are indeed one of the best teams in the game. Happy they went with their gut feels instead of doing pointless playtesting. |
For Matched play, they are. |
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ceetee
Joined: Jun 28, 2009
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Nov 16, 2025 - 20:46 |
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| sebco wrote: | | Ah yes, you're right. In the rulebook, there's a chapter about matched play (so, resurrection tourneys) and they write "Elite skills can only be taken a maximum of four times". |
I’ve heard this interpreted two ways - either you can take 4x block and 4x guard, etc, or any combination to a maximum of 4, e.g. 2x block, 2x guard, or 3x block, 1x guard, etc. |
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EastCoast
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
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Nov 16, 2025 - 20:51 |
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| ceetee wrote: | | sebco wrote: | | Ah yes, you're right. In the rulebook, there's a chapter about matched play (so, resurrection tourneys) and they write "Elite skills can only be taken a maximum of four times". |
I’ve heard this interpreted two ways - either you can take 4x block and 4x guard, etc, or any combination to a maximum of 4, e.g. 2x block, 2x guard, or 3x block, 1x guard, etc. |
I've heard the same, but based on everything they've done, the any combination of 4x elite skills doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I may be wrong, but if they have truly capped 4 elite skills combined, then these tiers make a lot more sense, and honestly those top 2 matched play tiers are really tight together and pretty balanced. |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Nov 16, 2025 - 23:00 |
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Rulebook p.112
It's just pre-construction rules.
Tier 1 start with 6 pts
Tier 2 start with 8 pts
Tier 3 start with 9 pts
Tier 4 start with 10 pts
Primary cost 1
Secondary cost 2
Star player cost 2
Mega Star cost 4
Restriction:
Elite max 4
Tier X = max X secondary
Star player max 2 (except tier 1 max 1)
Mega Star max 1
Note:
In this context, a primary elite skill requires one point like any other primary skill. So there's a limit specific to this context. |
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EastCoast
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
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Nov 17, 2025 - 01:48 |
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| Vicen wrote: | Rulebook p.112
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In this context, a primary elite skill requires one point like any other primary skill. So there's a limit specific to this context. |
Yep, and when you start looking through those rosters, I think Shambling Undead and Necro with 4 elite and 8 total skills is a little too good, which means they should be in tier 1 and be locked at 6 total skills. I'd probably drop High Elves and Chaos Dwarves to the top of tier 2. My guess is the resiliency of the Chaos Dwarves along with the Bulls still being one of the best players in the game is keeping them in Tier 1. I don't find the match play tiers to be egregious. |
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