Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 17, 2025 - 10:31 |
 
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| EastCoast wrote: | | I don't find the match play tiers to be egregious. |
Having snotlings in tier 4 is
But yeah, I'm sure these GW ones will widely be ignored and NAF will make their own comp I'm sure...
anyway, this thread is for Tier Predictions for Fumbbl Blackbox, not Match Play/Res 
I'd love to hear how everyone thinks the tiers will look... tiers 1 to 4, with optional tier 0 also called S tier i.e. >55% |
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EastCoast
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
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Nov 17, 2025 - 17:02 |
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| Garion wrote: |
I'd love to hear how everyone thinks the tiers will look... tiers 1 to 4, with optional tier 0 also called S tier i.e. >55% |
Are we operating under the assumption that *all* Star Players will be available to the teams?
If so, I'm not sure yet there will be a tier 0. Amazons look ripe for it, but Wrestle is about to become a lot more popular because it is cheaper and it negates Steady Footing. Now Amazons too will have to start going Wrodge spam over Blodge spam, but with only 6 Movement that caps them a bit.
Necromantic are a fantastic foundation but they were designed around primary access to the 4 skills that are now elite. A Blodge Wolf is awesome, but now costs 180TV. You still want your 4 Guard, but now that team is getting pricey. I think that creates a ceiling on them.
Shambling Undead are kind of in the same boat as Necro, but they don't need those elite skills quite as much because their Wights are so good with Tackle and ST 5 no negatrait big guys packing Mighty Blow is the gift that has been giving for about 3 decades. Blodge Ghouls, A couple of Guards, maybe Mighty Blow on a Wight. I just don't think their ceiling goes as high as Necros.
So for right now, I'm tentatively saying I don't think there will be a league/box tier 0. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 17, 2025 - 18:08 |
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| EastCoast wrote: |
So for right now, I'm tentatively saying I don't think there will be a league/box tier 0. |
that's a bold prediction.. that means Zons and norse would need to drop 5 or 6% |
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sebco
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Nov 17, 2025 - 18:47 |
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In my opinion, these 2 rosters (zons and norses) would need more expensive lineplayers. Let's say 55k instead of 50k.
Zons were already the best team in BB 2020 and I fear BB 2025 strengthens that. Norses were excellent at low TV but I would say that was less true at middle / high TV. That said, I suspect Elite skills at +10k will help them. They already have Block. And less Mighty Blow on the pitch is good news for them. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 17, 2025 - 18:56 |
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| sebco wrote: | | In my opinion, these 2 rosters (zons and norses) would need more expensive lineplayers. Let's say 55k instead of 50k. |
I think that too. |
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badger89
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
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Nov 17, 2025 - 20:32 |
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Taking LONER off goblin trolls may be a ploy to get people to play then more haha |
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Zelash
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Nov 19, 2025 - 04:12 |
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All Hail the Amazon Jaguar learned Breaktackle with +ST dodging into a cage on a 3+.
110k +20k +60k = grand total 190k teamvalue, real value that only get better later. |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Nov 30, 2025 - 13:31 |
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At the moment, with the AG1+ exploit bug, elf, vampire and skaven teams have a considerable advantage. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 30, 2025 - 13:41 |
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A cage can be screened, though. If you add some dodges to the Break Tackle sequence it could get used before actually dodging into the cage. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Apr 09, 2026 - 09:07 |
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My original prediction -
| Garion wrote: |
NB: the rosters with (S) next to them I expect to be tier Zero or Tier S which is teams that perform above 55%
Here are my prediction for Blackbox only Roster Tiers for 2025 edition, look forward to seeing yours :
Tier – 1
50% – 55%
Amazons (S)
Shambling Undead (S)
Orc (S)
OWA (S)
Norse(S)
Wood Elf
Necromantic
UW
Dark Elf
Tier – 2
45% - 49%
Lizardmen
Skaven
Vampire
Khemri
Imperial Nob
Elf Union
Chaos Dwarf
Dwarf
Tier – 3
35% - 44%
Chaos Chosen
Black Orc
Snotling
Bretonnian
Human
Nurgle
Chaos Renegades
Khorne
Ogre
Tier – 4
30% – 34%
Goblin
Gnome
Halfling |
NB: the rosters with (S) next to them I expect to be in the unofficial tier Zero or Tier S which is teams that perform above 55%
After playing the game a bit I am adjusting my initial thoughts (above) from before playing a game of 2025 edition, to the following... and I have added High Elf in, plus more precise % predictions of overall Win Percentages in Box based on what I'm seeing out there...
Tier – 1
50% – 55%
Orc (S) 59%
Shambling Undead (S) 57%
Underworld (S) 57%
OWA (S) 55%
Amazons 54%
Nurgle 54%
Norse 54%
High Elf 53%
Lizardmen 53%
Necromantic 51%
Wood Elf 52%
Dark Elf 50%
Tier – 2
45% - 49%
Bretonnian 49%
Skaven 49%
Vampire 49%
Khemri 49%
Human 48% (I think they'd do worse but they are very min maxy in design)
Chaos Chosen 47%
Snotling 46%
Chaos Dwarf 46%
Imperial Nob 45%
Elf Union 45% (like Humans I think these are actually much worse, but i think their win ratio will be dragged up by a small number of good coaches)
Tier – 3
35% - 44%
Black Orc 44%
Chaos Renegades 44%
Dwarf 43%
Ogre 39%
Gnome 38%
Khorne 35%
Tier – 4
30% – 34%
Goblin 31%
Halfling 30%
Edit: these predictions on Box win percentages are including mirror matches. Obviously if you remove mirror matches the teams that win the most and lose the most will have slightly better or worse percentages respectively... |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Apr 09, 2026 - 11:52 |
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Deleted post as per Garion's request. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Apr 09, 2026 - 12:14 |
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thanks |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Apr 09, 2026 - 12:17 |
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Deleted post as per Garion's request. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Apr 09, 2026 - 13:35 |
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| Vicen wrote: | | At the moment, with the AG1+ exploit bug, elf, vampire and skaven teams have a considerable advantage. |
Ag1+ RAW has been vetoed by Fumbbl, and the NAF. Everyone is ignoring that game breaking rule, while waiting for the FAQ |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Apr 09, 2026 - 17:01 |
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Thanks Garion. At the time the post was made, the rules were brand new and no one had made a decision yet.
| Quote: | PLAYER CHARACTERISTICS
AGILITY 1+
A modified agility roll of 1 will still count as a success if the player has Agility 1+. Since roll
modifiers will never take a result below 1, this means that an agility 1+ player will always
succeed the Agility Test on a natural 2+ regardless of the modifiers applied.
https://fumbbl.com/BB2025.pdf |
| Garion wrote: | | Ag1+ RAW has been vetoed by Fumbbl, and the NAF. Everyone is ignoring that game breaking rule, while waiting for the FAQ |
The NAF and Fumbbl made the right call IMHO.
| Code: | NAF recommandations:
https://www.thenaf.net/naf-recommendations-and-clarifications-for-bb2025/ |
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