| Poll |
| Who are the biggest winners for this edition (prediction)? |
| Amazons |
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23% |
[ 52 ] |
| Necromantic |
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9% |
[ 21 ] |
| Orc |
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4% |
[ 9 ] |
| OWA |
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43% |
[ 98 ] |
| Undead |
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0% |
[ 1 ] |
| Underworld |
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1% |
[ 3 ] |
| Wood Elf |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Imperial Nobility |
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4% |
[ 9 ] |
| Nurgle |
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8% |
[ 19 ] |
| Goblin |
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3% |
[ 7 ] |
| Black Orc |
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1% |
[ 3 ] |
| Other |
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1% |
[ 3 ] |
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| Total Votes : 225 |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 14, 2025 - 12:19 |
 
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Buffs and Nerfs for teams... If I have missed any, please let me know 
Amazons:
Buffs:
• Pa Improved by 1 for Blockers and Blitzers for free
• Dwarfs have lost Tackle on their Linemen (so have CDs, though this happened late 2020 edition)
• Break Tackle adds +2 to the roll for St4 players, which could be very powerful in the hands of a developed Blocker
• Dodge is now an elite skill so costs 30k on Primary or 40k on Secondary access, but Amazons got this built in and heavily discounted
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• They have no access to Dirty Player
• Undead start with 2 Tackle
• Humans start with 2 Tackle
• Dwarf Blitzers start with Tackle + Diving Tackle, though they’re now only 0-2
• OWA start with 1 Human Blitzer with Tackle and 1 Dwarf Blitzer with Tackle + Diving Tackle
Black Orcs:
Buffs:
• Goblins can get Dirty Player on a Primary
• Brawlin’ Brutes is more likely to increase SPP quicker
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
• Troll does not have Loner
• Regeneration works before deciding to use Apothecary, which is good news for the Troll
• You can Pass and Throw Teammate in the same turn
• Dwarfs lost Tackle on their linemen
• St4 players can Secure the Ball
Nerfs:
• Black Orcs lose Secondary P access which means they cannot get Leader
• Sneaky Git is much worse, and you’re likely better off getting multiple DPs rather than a couple of SG DPs
• Undead start with 2 Tackle
• Humans start with 2 Tackle
• Dwarf Blitzers start with Tackle + Diving Tackle, though they’re now only 0-2
• OWA start with 1 Human Blitzer with Tackle and 1 Dwarf Blitzer with Tackle + Diving Tackle
Bretonnian
New team, so just gonna list some pros and Cons
Pros:
• Wrestle Linemen and 2 Block Blitzers makes the team VERY reliable at rookie level
• Blitzers are very good reliable players, High Av, High Ma, and an Invulnerable save… They should do everything…
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players (assuming you take all 6 knights.. which I’m not sure is the best thing to do yet)
Cons:
• Av8+ linemen
• Throwers have Pa3+ and Ma 6 and an inflated cost due to skills they don’t need
• Catchers don’t have Block or Dodge and need both to make them useful which are both Elite skills so will cost 60k
• The team only has 2 S access players on primaries so will likely perform worse when facing more developed opposition
Chaos Chosen
Pros:
• Re-rolls are now 50k a 10k saving
• Beastmen are 55k a 5k saving, and gained Thick Skull for free
• Chosen get Arm bar for free
• Troll gets to Regen before apothecary roll
• Starting roster is more TV efficient
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Cons:
• Beastmen have lost Primary S access
• Beastmen lost Primary DP
Chaos Dwarf
Buffs:
• Minotaur gained M access on Primary
• Stabbas are 10k cheaper
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• Hobgoblins only have Primary D access and G access is on Secondaries
• They’ve kept the nerfs that occurred at the end of 2020 edition
Chaos Renegades
Buffs
• Thrower has Sure Hands now instead of Safe Pair of Hands
• Dark Elf Lineman is 10k cheaper
• Primary D access to the whole team
• Goblin won’t be used as the fouler now, they will be saved for Throw Teammate
• You can Pass and Throw Teammate in the same turn
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs
• Ogre does not have Mighty Blow… Though I assume this is a typo and will be corrected on day 1 FAQ - edit: this has been added. Ogre has MB again
Dark Elf
Buffs:
• Linemen are 65k
• Throwers got Punt for free, which is situationally useful
• Assassin got Hit and Run
• Assassin Blitzer and Witch Elf all got an improve Pa
• 6x MVP makes targets development much easier
Nerfs
• Blitzers are now 0-2
• Blitzers and Assassins price has increased
• Dp is now on a secondary
• Runner still only has Pa3+… not really a nerf, but still worth pointing out as bad
Dwarf
Buffs:
• Diving Tackle and Tackle added to Blitzers
• They have Bribery and Corruption
• Runner got Sprint for free and a price decrease
• Linemen start with Defensive
• Loner reduced on the Deathroller to a 4+ and Ma increased to 5
• Troll slayer gets Hatred which is useful again Trolls for what it’s worth…
• Brawlin’ Brutes makes gaining SPP much easier
• Primary Dp access on Dwarfs
• Deathroller gets +3 to Break Tackle
Nerfs:
• Linemen lost Tackle
• No A access on the team
• S access moved to Secondary on the Linemen
• Blitzers price has increased
• Blitzers Ag is worse
• Re-rolls price increased
Elf Union
Buffs:
• Throwers gain Hail Mary Pass for free. Though it still sucks
• Catchers gain Diving Catch for free. This functionally means your passing range is extended by 1 square
• Linemen get an improved Pa of 3+
Neither Buff nor nerf
• Linemen gained Fumblerooski, if this was free it would be a buff, but sadly the linemen cost more now
Nerf:
• Linemen are 65k which hurts Elf Union’s starting roster advantage over other elves. This is pretty significant
• They can only have 2 Catchers now, which is fairly limiting…
Gnome
Buffs:
• You can pass and TTM in the same turn, which makes OTT a bit more likely to succeed
Nerfs:
• DP is now on secondary access
• Currently they do not have Master Chef access as it is not properly keyworded in the rules. I think this will be FAQd
• There is more starting tackle out there, Undead Wights, Human Blitzers, Dwarf Blitzers, OWA…
Goblins
Buffs:
• Ooligan is cheaper, gets 5+Pa and gains the Taunt skill for free
• All the Goblins have primary D access which means Primary DP
• You can pass and TTM in the same turn, which makes OTT a bit more likely to succeed
• Doom Diver is better at OTT than before, firstly because they travel forward up to 6 squares which makes landing in range very likely now… though you could also travel too far forward and hit a player in the defensive line…. But such is the life of a goblin.
• Doom Diver also gains dodge and they can now perform Stunty Dodges, which were previously prohibited
• Loony (chainsaw player) can do Stunty Dodges through TZs, however they only have secondary A access, so getting Dodge is harder
• Trolls lost Loner
• Pogo has a better PA - 4+
• Currently they have access to Bomber Dribblesnot, who is yet again a bit broken… they may get made a mega star again in times…
• Apothecary works before Regen on the Trolls now
Nerfs:
• Doom Diver went up in cost
• Loony Gained No Ball (formally called No hands)
• Bombardier can now cause a turn over when hitting their own team mate
• Kickback on Chainsaw automatically causes a turnover, as they are always Knocked down, then the armour roll+3 is made
• There is more starting tackle out there, Undead Wights, Human Blitzers, Dwarf Blitzers, OWA…
Halflings
Buffs:
• You can pass and TTM in the same turn, which makes OTT a bit more likely to succeed
• Catcher Pa is now 4+
Nerfs:
• DP is now on secondary access
• There is more starting tackle out there, Undead Wights, Human Blitzers, Dwarf Blitzers, OWA…
High Elfs
Buffs:
• Linemen are 65k
• Linemen and Catchers have better Pa
Human
Buffs:
• Catcher has St3 now and improved Pa 4+
• Human Thrower is cheaper
• Team Captain special rule is very good
• Start with Tackle on their 2 Blitzers for free
• Ogre is now Loner 3+
• You can pass and TTM in the same turn, which makes OTT a bit more likely to succeed
• Hit and Run access... makes OTT even easier
Nerfs:
• They only have 2 Blitzers now
• They also only have 2 Catchers now
• Linemen only get Secondary Dp now
• Thrower is Pa3+… I hope this is FAQ’d
Imperial Nobility
Buffs:
• Re-rolls are 60k now
• Linemen get Ag3+ for free
• Thrower gets Pa2+ and Pro for free
• Body Guard is cheaper, now 85k and gets improved Pa 4+
• Blitzer gains Pro and price is reduced to 90k
• Ogre gets Loner 3+
• Give and Go is better than Running Pass, as it works for Hand Offs too
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• Bodyguard Ma is reduced to 5
• No Dp access in the team
Khorne
Buffs:
• Blood Seekers Price is reduced by 5k
• Brawlin’ Brutes special rule makes SPP accumulation faster
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
• Khorngor gain Jump Up and Thick Skull for free
• St4 players can secure the Ball
Nerfs
• You can only have 2 Khorngor now
• You have no Primary DP
• Starting with no Elite Skills is now more costly
Lizardmen
Buffs:
• Juggernaut on the Saurus gives you very reliable blitzing, and once developed good crowd surfing threat!
• P access has moved to a primary on the Chameleon, this means you should be able to get Leader after 1 game
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• Saurus price has increased another 5k… this means your starting roster takes another hit…
• You can now only get Dp on secondaries, and Sneaky Git is a bit pointless now.. so SG DP skinks aren’t really going to be a thing anymore
• There is more starting tackle out there, Undead Wights, Human Blitzers, Dwarf Blitzers, OWA…
Necromantic
Buffs:
• Eye Gouge on the Zombies for free
• Zombies still get primary DP access in an addition where so many teams have lost it
• Ghouls gain Regeneration for free and get better Pa for free
• Wraiths price has been reduced to 10k…
• Flesh Golems price has been decreased by 5k
• Werewolves price has decreased 5k and have improved Pa
• Zombies and Flesh Golems have Pa stats now, which means they are not easy bomb targets
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• None… they are big winners!
Norse
Buffs:
• Ulf and Yhetee gain a Pa stat which makes them less of a bomb target
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
• Block is now an Elite skill, and starting with it on most of your team make them even more TV efficient than they already were
Nerfs:
• They have no DP access in the team
Nurgle
Buffs:
• Re-rolls are now 60k
• Bloaters gain Stand Firm for free
• Bloaters get a price decrease of 5k
• Pestigors gain Steady Footing and Thick Skull for free
• Pestigors gain a Price Decrease of 5k
• Rotters get primary Dp access
• Rotspawn gets pick Me Up, and gains a Pa stat which means they aren’t easy bomb targets
• Brawlin’ Brutes means getting SPP is faster
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• You only get 2 Pestigors,
• Rotters prices has increased to 40k??? why? This is a real shame…
Ogre
Buffs:
• Gnoblars gain primary DP access and improved Pa
• Brawlin’ Brutes means getting SPP is faster
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
• You can KTM, TTM and Pass in the same turn… so theoretically OTT is more likely
• Brick and Grotty seems a bit OP coz of their special rule…, expect to see them in every Ogre match until they’re nerfed, banned or Faqd
• Ogres can’t “Stall”
Nerfs:
• There is more starting tackle out there, Undead Wights, Human Blitzers, Dwarf Blitzers, OWA…
OWA
Buffs:
• Animosity and Loner has been removed from every player, including the Treeman (but not the ogre)
• Dwarf Blocker is now 0-3 and gained Block and Defensive and lost their old meme skills. These are now prefect for LoS duty
• Dwarf Blocker price is reduced by 5k
• Human thrower is 5k cheaper
• Dwarf runner is 5k cheaper and gained Sprint
• Human Blitzer is 5k cheaper and gained Tackle
• Human Catcher gains +st and improved Pa
• Dwarf Blitzer gained Tackle and Diving Tackle
• Troll Slayer gained Hatred Troll, and improved Pa
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
• You can now pass and TTM in the same turn
• Hit and Run access... makes OTT even easier
Nerfs:
• None, this team is one of the best in the game now…
• Okay… I guess they don’t have easy DP access…
Orc
Buffs:
• Animosity has been removed from all their players
• Brawlin’ Brutes makes the team quicker to skill up
• Team Captain is a very useful special rule, especially with the changes to other players
• Blitzers gain Break Tackle
• Their Goblins have Primary D access, which makes keeping one for DP and one for TTM in the team is very likely
• Thrower gains 1 Ma
• Blockers get Mighty Blow, Taunt, Thick skull
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• Thrower went up in price 10k
• Blitzer went up 5k
• Blocker went up 5k
• Blocker and Blitzer changed from 0-4 to 0-2
Shambling Undead
Buffs:
• Eye Gouge on the Zombies for free
• Zombies still get primary DP access in an addition where so many teams have lost it
• Ghouls gain Regeneration for free and get better Pa for free
• Wights gain Tackle and Thick Skull
• Mummies gain a Pa stat and so do Zombies, which prevents them being easy bomb target
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• Only 0-2 Ghouls now, and there is more starting tackle in the game
• Wights price increased to 95k
Skaven
Buffs:
• Skaven Thrower’s price decreased 5k
• Linemen get Primary DP
• Gutter Runners gain Stab
• Blitzer get better Pa and, Stripball and +1Ma for free
• Rat Ogre gains a Pa stat which means they aren’t such an easy bomb target
• Hit and Run access... makes OTT even easier
Nerfs:
• Gutters Runners are now 0-2
• There is more starting tackle around now which is a threat to the Gutter Runners
Snotlings
Buffs:
• Secret Weapon has been removed from the Pump Wagons for free
• Pump Wagon cost is reduced by 5k and Ma is improved by 1
• Trolls do not have Loner
• Bombers get Titchy
• Improved Pa all round, and Pump wagons gain a Pa stat which stops them being such an easy bomb target
• Primary D access on Snotlings, making them the cheapest DP in the game
• You can now pass and TTM in the same turn, which in theory makes TTM always possible
• Apothecary works before Regen on the Trolls now
Nerfs:
• Re-rolls are 10k more
• Insignificant means you cannot exploit star players as much as before
• There is more starting tackle around
Tomb Kings
Buffs:
• Re-rolls are 60k
• Thrower and Blitzer Price reduced by 5k each
• Throwers Av increased by 1
• Tomb Guardian gain a Pa stat which means they aren’t such easy bomb targets
• They gain Masters of Undeath so can raise Skeketons
• Tomb Guardians gain Brawler
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
Nerfs:
• Tomb Guardians price increased by 15k
Underworld Denizens
Buffs:
• Skaven Throwers price has been reduced
• Gutter Runner gains Stab
• Blitzer gains 1Ma, improved Pa and Strip Ball for free
• Goblin Linemen get primary DP
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
• Rat Ogre got a Pa stat making them less of an easy Bomb target
• Hit and Run access... makes OTT even easier
Nerfs:
• None, the team just got better, benefiting more from the Skaven changes than Skaven
Vampires
Buffs:
• Runner and Blitzer Pa got better for free
• Vargheist got a Pa stat which means they aren’t such an easy bomb target
• Masters of Undeath means they can get a mid game thrall
• Regeneration works before apothecary now… which is huge!
• Vampires cannot “Stall” , which is also huge!
• 6x MVP rule benefits this team as you can target only your best players
• Hit and Run access... makes OTT even easier
• Break Tackle access on St4 players, which means they can dodge on a 0+
Neither Buff nor Nerf
• Hypno just works on a 3+ now… this is better because you can just plop yourself in amongst TZs and 3+ a cage corner away, it removes defensive positioning options from your opponent, and it removes the problem of positioning your Hypno in such a way to get a 2+ that would get in your own way of moving into the cage. On the flip side it removed the 2+ hypno.. I actually think this could turn out to be a slight buff
Nerfs
• No DP access on thralls
Wood Elf
Buffs:
• Linemen, Catchers and Wardancers all got improved Pa
• Linemen price reduced to 65k
• Thrower Price Reduced to 85k and gain the Safe Pair of Hands skill for free
• Catchers gain Sprint again, for free
• Hit and Run access... makes OTT even easier
Nerfs:
• Wardancers price increased to 130k
• Catchers are only 0-2 now instead of 0-4 |
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Jayward
Joined: Dec 22, 2020
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Nov 14, 2025 - 12:30 |
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Tricky one to answer, as I think OWA are most improved but started really bad, Necro got a lot better and were already good, and Amazons didn't gain much but were already top of the pile. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 14, 2025 - 12:45 |
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6x MVP rule means that you nominate 6 players and one of them gets randomly the MVP by rolling a D6? |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Nov 14, 2025 - 12:48 |
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The changes (for teams, skills, stars, kickoff tables) are listed out here - https://2025.nazgob.co.uk/teams
U missed the OWA catcher buffed to STR3 and PA4+
Vamp hypno 3+ is overall not a buff, although is more flexible... it's a nerf particularly at low TV, where they didn't need it.
At high TV they can mitigate with Pro or rerolls, which is where they didn't need help |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 14, 2025 - 13:24 |
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| Sp00keh wrote: |
U missed the OWA catcher buffed to STR3 and PA4+
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thanks, Added that in.
| Sp00keh wrote: |
Vamp hypno 3+ is overall not a buff, although is more flexible... it's a nerf particularly at low TV, where they didn't need it.
At high TV they can mitigate with Pro or rerolls, which is where they didn't need help |
yeah, I put it in neither a buff nor nerf. It's just different.
Though I personally think it's actually a little buff (overall, especially at higher tv as you say) just because it removes defensive positioning options from your opposition... it's now impossible to defend against a 3+, whereas before you could force a 3+ or 4+ with careful positioning of your screen
| MattDakka wrote: | | 6x MVP rule means that you nominate 6 players and one of them gets randomly the MVP by rolling a D6? |
Correct |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 14, 2025 - 13:36 |
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also added • Hit and Run access... makes OTT even easier to relevant teams
Also official tiers are out now.. and they're predictably wrong 
Mega stars are out and bombs are back!!! no mega star bombers ...
FAQ is out and it gave Renegades Mb on the Ogre, and removed M access from the Ogre on the human teams...
OWA keep lonerless tree..
High elves are out too |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 14, 2025 - 14:06 |
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Thanks for the response, Garion!
DE Assassins with Hit and Run could be used as ball carriers. By scoring and nominating them they could get Blodge quite fast. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 14, 2025 - 14:10 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | DE Assassins with Hit and Run could be used as ball carriers. By scoring and nominating them they could get Blodge quite fast. |
They only have secondary G access. So it'll cost them 30 for Dodge and 40 for Block |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 14, 2025 - 14:12 |
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Well, just +10 TV, it's not super expensive, although an Assassin without G Primary access is ridiculously anti-lore. |
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Jayward
Joined: Dec 22, 2020
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Nov 14, 2025 - 14:38 |
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| Garion wrote: | | MattDakka wrote: | | DE Assassins with Hit and Run could be used as ball carriers. By scoring and nominating them they could get Blodge quite fast. |
They only have secondary G access. So it'll cost them 30 for Dodge and 40 for Block |
50 for Block: 40k secondary and 10k elite skill tax |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Nov 14, 2025 - 17:16 |
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maybe just take hit n run for like, any other player ? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 14, 2025 - 17:20 |
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Any other player with MA 7. Linemen are too slow. |
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ThierryM
Joined: Mar 27, 2015
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Nov 14, 2025 - 17:32 |
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4 catchers for HEs.
Will it remain like this for long ?
Place your bets ! |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 14, 2025 - 17:41 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | Any other player with MA 7. Linemen are too slow. |
2x ma isn't a guarantee anymore... Though its still pretty likely
+ag is more likely that it used to be |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 14, 2025 - 17:46 |
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If 2x MA is not a guarantee anymore, it makes even more sense to build MA 7 players as ball carriers.
It's easier to have a MA 8 player starting from MA 7. |
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