MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 16, 2026 - 11:30 |
 
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I watched some BB2025 games and I noticed that the Grail Knight icons are a bit small, compared to the Squire and the Catcher ones.
They don't stand out from the Squires and the Catchers as they should, in my opinion.
All the Bretonnian icons are great, don't get me wrong, but I think that increasing the Grail Knight icons' size a bit would help to distinguish them more.
Moreover, there are some Squire icons looking too big, compared to the rest:
I will use this roster page as example:
https://fumbbl.com/t/1256904
the Squire icons #9 and #11 (i.e. the ones without an helmet, with blonde and black hair) have a bigger head compared to the rest of the Squire icons, and they look bigger than Grail Knights too (which should not be).
The rest of the icons looks ok in terms of relative sizes.
To summarize:
increasing a bit the Grail Knight icons and reducing a bit the Squire icons above would improve the overall look of the team, in my opinion, not just for aesthetic, but for practical reasons too (spotting easily the Grail Knights at a glance). |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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Feb 16, 2026 - 15:11 |
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Resizing is not simple with pixel art. The icons have to fit on the grid and that is a hard limitation on top of everything. It is the crest of the helmets that make the blitzers look squished compared to others. As much as it hurts Bretonnia-lovers to drop those elements, that might be the way to go for now.
I think the checkered texture of the torsos is a bigger issue, it makes the shapes too busy and positionals harder to differentiate. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 16, 2026 - 15:30 |
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I found this Knight icon easier to distinguish (the old Bretonnian Knight icon):
https://fumbbl.com/i/375672.png
Maybe something like that but with a Grail crest. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Feb 21, 2026 - 16:00 |
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Sizing was done based the ST of players. So, the basic size of ST3 is different to ST4. As Brets are ST3, they're all the same size. Of course there are some exceptions (ST2 catchers).
I don't think 2 icons bleeding into another square is an issue. There are multiple teams that have lots of ST 4 and 5 icons.
I think you could add something to the helmet to make the positional stand-out more.
Also, I could be wrong here, but how I remember it; the original icons were made for Secret League (not the crappy Cyanide roster). So, there was probably a bit of difference. IIRC there was an ST4 positional originally, with Stand Firm. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 21, 2026 - 16:11 |
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| harvestmouse wrote: | | Sizing was done based the ST of players. So, the basic size of ST3 is different to ST4. As Brets are ST3, they're all the same size. Of course there are some exceptions (ST2 catchers). |
Bretonnian Knight Catchers have ST 3. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Feb 23, 2026 - 22:45 |
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Sizing was done based on the ST of players. So, the size of ST3 players is different to that of ST2 or ST4. Of course there are some exceptions (ST2 catchers for example). As Brets are all ST3, they're all the same size.
Better? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 24, 2026 - 00:06 |
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Yes, better, although ST 3 doesn't tell the whole story. Grail Knights have ST 3 but Block, Dauntless, Steady Footing too and that should be represented by more flashy icons.
They are the supposed heroes of the team and they look tiny. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Feb 24, 2026 - 00:32 |
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| harvestmouse wrote: | Sizing was done based on the ST of players. So, the size of ST3 players is different to that of ST2 or ST4. Of course there are some exceptions (ST2 catchers for example). As Brets are all ST3, they're all the same size.
Better? |
does it have to be this way? Could we not add a few pixels and not be a problem, like the height of a BOB or big but a Human + crest? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 24, 2026 - 01:01 |
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The Knight Throwers look beefier than the Grail Knights, that looks wrong.
The Grail Knights could have a gold crest displaying a Grail or a Fleur de Lys, with full helmet covering the face, the Knight Throwers could have no crest, or a smaller grey crest, with the face partially visible.
That way there would be difference and the icon would not trespass the square.
Or keep the icons like they are, but make the Knight Throwers a little bit smaller and the Grail Knights a little big bigger. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 24, 2026 - 04:33 |
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Mully
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 24, 2026 - 04:46 |
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I didnt think size mattered ...😒 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 24, 2026 - 11:31 |
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Every Orc knows that "Bigga iz betta"!  |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Feb 26, 2026 - 19:26 |
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Grail Knight icons are good as they are today and they dont need any fix |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Feb 27, 2026 - 08:24 |
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| JackassRampant wrote: | | harvestmouse wrote: | Sizing was done based on the ST of players. So, the size of ST3 players is different to that of ST2 or ST4. Of course there are some exceptions (ST2 catchers for example). As Brets are all ST3, they're all the same size.
Better? |
does it have to be this way? Could we not add a few pixels and not be a problem, like the height of a BOB or big but a Human + crest? |
I can't answer that. All I can say is that Whatball took great care in making icon size to strength.
Personally, I think you could do a lot with them, if they don't stand out. However, I cannot say whether making them bigger would dilute what Whatball achieved or if that's even important anymore. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Feb 27, 2026 - 10:04 |
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This would make sense if the Grail Knights were actually Grail Knights and S4..... but they aren't. |
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