| Poll |
| ideas for Box MM |
| tick option to pair pure Box teams with pure Box teams |
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34% |
[ 15 ] |
| GF teams can't get back to GF once they played a Box match, all their future matches will have to be played in the Box |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| 1 GF match allowed per 2 Box matches played by a team |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| pie |
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63% |
[ 28 ] |
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| Total Votes : 44 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 28, 2026 - 22:53 |
 
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After a game today vs an Orc Season 2 team, unfairly farmed through GF picking, featuring 5 stat boosted players (edit. I originally wrote "freaks" but it was inaccurate), I had this idea: being able to activate a Box only team to face Box only teams with a tick option ("pure Box mode" or whatever name).
I don't mind if I have to wait for hours or days (which, as an aside, is something I do on a daily basis despite the hybrid GF-Box system which should make finding games easier!), but I don't want to play vs teams which are not developed in a fair way (that means 100% blind matchmaking games, not lots of games picking noobs to develop stat freaks then activating in the Box once the team has 5 stat boosted players).
It's not fair and not competitive at all. It's a farce unworthy of a division with CR points to win or lose.
I suggested several times a shorter Season and it didn't happen; if we have to play with a 15-game Season (which, I repeat, is too long) at least allow like-minded people to play with pure Box teams vs pure Box teams. A simple tick option. People not wanting to wait could not tick the option and play like now, with the disgusting hybrid system pairing GF-Box teams together.
Another idea is this: you can play a team on GF but, once it gets activated in the Box, you can't use the GF anymore. All the games from then on will have to be played in the Box.
That would be a compromise, not optimal but better than allowing teams to jump back and forth from GF to Box (with the possibility to play recovery games vs noobs and to farm again new stat freaks) like now.
Farming was possible with old rules as well, but now the stats are easier to get, the players can be nominated and Brawlin' Brutes boosts the development. 15-game Re-Draft doesn't trim the Season 2 teams enough, it's exploitable by GF pickers (a fact backed up by my actual experience today, not a theory).
I don't want to waste hours to find a game vs a team which has not been developed in the same way I developed mine.
Wasting hours activating is ok, but then the game found must be vs a Box team only, otherwise it's an utter waste of my time.
I'm not here to waste time playing games vs GF farmed teams, I'm here to play competitive games vs teams played by coaches who had the guts to play all their games in the Box. Farm your team if you like it, but do it in an honest way.
Another idea I had now, while I was checking the match history of the Orc team, could be this: you can play GF and Box matches, but with this ratio: 1 GF game/2 Box games. You can play a GF game with a team, then you have to play at least 2 Box games with that team before you can play again a GF game and so on.
That would still allow to use the hybrid system and would limit the picking a bit. That change would already make a difference, a sort of soft counter to picking.
Tl;dr
ideas (just one of the list, not all implemented):
1) tick option to pair pure Box teams with pure Box teams;
2) GF teams can't get back to GF once they played a Box match, all their future matches will have to be played in the Box;
3) 1 GF match allowed per 2 Box matches played by a team (ideally starting with 2 Box matches first, then 1 GF match, then 2 Box matches and so on). |
Last edited by MattDakka on Aug 29, 2026; edited 4 times in total |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 29, 2026 - 00:32 |
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Oh Lord... |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Aug 29, 2026 - 01:17 |
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Matt, can you go even a week without posting something self serving and solipsistic, for made up honor in your own mind? its been a decade plus of you being a whiner like this. youre in your 40s now, right? |
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MercutioT
Joined: Mar 19, 2015
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Aug 29, 2026 - 02:28 |
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Dude suffers his first loss in 40 games, and comes to conclusion that he really deserved to win that one too. Just like every other match he loses. It's either "unfair" or "anti game" or "luck" or "pickers" or "minmaxers" or some other imagined violation of the universe.
Dude, you lost that game because you made a shit call on round 5 and tried to do an entirely unnecessary stall, risking a 1/9 dodge. Sometimes stalls don't work. It's completely that simple. Get over yourself.
And unless you have a written statement from MOLOK77 attesting that he "farmed" his "5 stat freaks" (two of whom have a single stat increase), that is an unfriendly accusation to throw around. What percentage of Blood Bowl players have to disagree with your conception of fairness before you admit the possibility that maybe you're the one with the skewed perspective?
The impulse you feel and voice so prominently—that you should win every match and everyone who beats you is morally inferior and must be gaming the system—that is a symptom of psychosis. I really recommend getting a professional consultation. Otherwise, you might risk getting too competitive about a silly dice game where goblins toss bombs and get turned into frogs while playing football against mummies. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Aug 29, 2026 - 02:43 |
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"Farmed" = "Played games, got SPP, gambled, won."
So unfair. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 29, 2026 - 04:45 |
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Dakkaideas*:
1) Tick option to pair pure Dakka teams with pure Dakka teams;
2) Dakka teams can't get back to Dakka once they played a Dakka match, all their future matches will have to be played in the Dakka.
3) 1 Dakka match allowed per 2 Dakka matches played by a team.
(ideally starting with 2 Dakka matches first, then 1 Dakka match, then 2 Dakka matches and so on.)
*Just one of the list, not all implemented |
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Joost
Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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Aug 29, 2026 - 10:51 |
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Matt, you avoid all BBT match ups which would give a Box game at almost any time of the day. Instead you minmax your teams very precisely and you play strong races only, and want to match them up against someone that brings a weaker team so you have an advantage.
Now someone beats you at that very development game, and you want to avoid even more match ups so that you keep your Dakka Development Advantage over other players. Where does it end? Do you need an advantageous draw 100% of the time? |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Aug 29, 2026 - 11:35 |
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I think you should be able to tick other boxes too.
1. Option on selecting opponents team tier
2. Range of prefered CR of opponent. Low, medium or high (this could be extra great for new coaches to get paired against better opponents for learning purposes)
3. Max number of MB on opponents team
4. Max ammount of inducements allowed
5. ??? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 29, 2026 - 11:45 |
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| mrt1212 wrote: | | Matt, can you go even a week without posting something self serving and solipsistic, for made up honor in your own mind? its been a decade plus of you being a whiner like this. youre in your 40s now, right? |
I posted because I felt the need to do so after something I experienced on the site, not because I woke up and I decided to post something for the sake of it. You know, it's a forum and people post on it. Yes, I'm in my 40s, correct.
| MercutioT wrote: |
Dude, you lost that game because you made a shit call on round 5 and tried to do an entirely unnecessary stall, risking a 1/9 dodge. Sometimes stalls don't work. It's completely that simple. Get over yourself.
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I could have scored and I actually considered it, but with a MA 8 AG 2+ Thrower scoring early would have not worked, as you can imagine. I even had some players out, would have been hard to put up a proper defence vs such a team with outnumbered Undead. As usual, it's easy to make the armchair theorycraft.
| MercutioT wrote: | | And unless you have a written statement from MOLOK77 attesting that he "farmed" his "5 stat freaks" (two of whom have a single stat increase), that is an unfriendly accusation to throw around. What percentage of Blood Bowl players have to disagree with your conception of fairness before you admit the possibility that maybe you're the one with the skewed perspective? |
The match history of the team can be checked. 24 games played, 14 games played vs Star and Super Star coaches on GF. It's not my imagination. I'm sure that Orc team would have not been so developed had it played all its games in the Box.
@Joost:
He didn't beat me at that very development game because my development game doesn't involve playing on GF to develop my players. I develop my players playing only in the Box, which is harder than picking noobs on GF to develop them (otherwise I would have 5 stat boosted players on my teams, I have 1-2 developed players on my teams, if you bother to check them, not 5, it's a huge difference). I should not be matched with GF pickers, only with 100% Box teams, then I wouldn't complain. The MM matches me vs a blatant picker and I should keep my mouth shut? No way.
It's not bitching about the loss, it's bitching about the unfairness of the hybrid MM system, on principle, Box and GF should have been kept separated. Who cares if I lose a game, I can win, tie or lose, but I want to do it vs people who built their teams in the same way I did, not exploiting the GF by picking noobs most of their games.
I never said that I want to be matched with weaker teams, it's a strawman.
I repeat it again, to make it clear to understand:
I want to be matched only with teams which played 100% of their games in the Box.
If this is not possible, I want to be matched with teams which at least played their teams with a ratio of 1 GF game and 2 games in the Box, this is reasonable enough.
About the BBT match ups, I repeat once again:
I don't like to play new teams over and over again, I don't find interesting to play new teams over and over again and the BBT format doesn't fit my taste. I don't even want to talk about the BBT. Don't bring it to the discussion. There is a Season Re-Draft and playing teams for 15 games only makes the whole Re-Draft pointless.
Why having a Season Re-Draft if I have to play teams for 15 games then stop?
Is there a rule saying that you have to play teams only for 15 games on the site? No, so I want to play my teams for more than 15 games.
You like the the BBT? Nice, play it to your heart's content but don't try to persuade me to do the same, I don't like it and I don't want even to talk about it.
Why people playing teams for 15 games only in the BBT can face only Box teams and I can't do the same if I decide to play my teams for more than 15 games? It's not fair. |
Last edited by MattDakka on Aug 29, 2026; edited 5 times in total |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Aug 29, 2026 - 12:32 |
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You're proposing “tailor-made” ( "ad Personam") solutions that I suspect would only benefit your particular playing style.
Add a poll to see if the majority of coaches on this site agree with your idea. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Aug 29, 2026 - 13:25 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 29, 2026 - 13:53 |
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| koadah wrote: | Option 1 seems reasonable enough I think. I don't know if there would be enough demand for it to be worth doing. May reduce the number of matches made.
How easy is it to get S2+ games now?
Option 2 & 3? Not even worth thinking about IMO. |
I prefer not to find a game at all than finding an unfair game. I could go on GF and get picked if I wanted that, saving lot of time.
The interesting part of the tick option to play vs Box teams only is, if you want to enable it, you can do it, if you don't want, you can play as now, without being affected by the filter.
Would allow freedom of choice.
About not enough games: well, if there is no option, we can't know. We have to start from somewhere.
Personally, I'm ready to wait for days as long as I can play vs pure Box teams. Currently I have to wait for hours and I don't even have the guarantee I will play vs a team developed in the same way as mine. |
Last edited by MattDakka on Aug 29, 2026; edited 1 time in total |
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DoctorMidnight
Joined: Jul 07, 2022
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Aug 29, 2026 - 14:39 |
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I choose option 2, but could have picked number 1 as well. |
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littlestone
Joined: Oct 12, 2008
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Aug 29, 2026 - 14:49 |
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Speaking in sporting terms I agree with Matt's point. From my point of view GF and BBX should be 2 separated categories because they offer 2 different typologies of play which are opposite. If u don't find a game in bbox u can play an eurobowl training team or the 2025 ruleset league. If u don't play them is because u're playing for the rank and playing against team developed in another truly different category sounds not sportingly.
Same way for tournaments. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Aug 29, 2026 - 15:18 |
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This poll is enough to put me off pie. |
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