origami
Joined: Oct 14, 2003
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Mar 10, 2005 - 02:55 |
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Here's my final roster that I'm going to submit. Thanks to everyone who has posted comments - I've considered each of them seriously.
Forest Goblins
0-12 Forest Goblins 6/2/3/7 Dodge, Stunty 40k (A)
0-2 Forest Goblin Thrower 6/2/3/5 Pass 60k (A,P)
0-4 Forest Goblin Catcher 8/1/3/5 Dodge, NOS, Stunty 50k (A)
0-2 Spider Rider 6/4/2/8 Big Guy, Bonehead, Two Heads, Shadowing 120k (G,A)
Rerolls 60k
Apothecary: Yes
Wizard: No
Star Player
Niggla Glasstoes 8/3/3/5 Star, Block, Dodge, NOS, Extra Arms, Catch, Stunty 70k
Bugga Blackstaff 5/2/3/6 Star, Foul appearance, Hypno gaze, Dirty Player, Stunty 50k
Thmbscrws: There wasn't much in your post that I could actually use."Broken as hell" doesn't really help unless you make some specific suggestions to unbreak it. Plus, I disagree on your assessment of these guys as being like skinks. Skinks don't pass. Every skink on the field is the stunty equivalent of an orc and an elf rolled into one. These guys have tough linos, but the positionals are extremely fragile...including the spiders when compared to other Big Guys. Skinks have poison daggers...these guys don't. The spiders are quite good...but not nearly as good as the reroll using, AV9, block, tackle, breaktackle sauruses. However, I have decreased the Spider's power a little...and may do so even more after some play testing.
Mindwright: Some good suggestions on your part. Your catchers are better than my runners, and I appropriated them wholesale (except for price). I also dropped Right Stuff. With the throwers, I'm afraid that dropping Strong Arm without making some other sort of adjustment would mean that they would never actually get used as throwers. Instead, people would just pick the ball up with one of the runners then pass it off - skink tactics. Instead, I've taken away both Strong Arm and Stunty, but reduced their armor by two to keep their fragility. Your idea on the spiders was very interesting, but having no players with access to block or tackle would make defense almost impossible.
Mutescreamer: Dropped Ironfang (who actually is an uber spider rider), kept the other. I figure that a scoring team can afford to have an scoring machine as star player. I added in a Shaman star - pretty much straight from PBateman's suggestion. I added in Dirty Player because I love the image of an ugly old goblin maniacally whacking a fallen foe with his staff.
Smess: Ag 2 it is, which significantly reduces their ball handling potential. However, these guys are meant to be mobile, part of which means dodging away from the bigger, uglier, bashier big guys of other teams. Therefore, I gave them the two heads trait (they don't actually have two heads, this is just used to boost dodging). I see these guys as a huge hunting spider - if you've ever watched a hunting spider, you know how fast and agile these things can be when they spot prey.
PBateman: Dropping the throwers would completely negate what makes the team unique - the ability to pull off a passing game. That would mean going back to the drawing board completely...which I leave to you. |
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Lazerus101
Joined: Nov 07, 2003
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Mar 10, 2005 - 03:04 |
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I quite like this idea, it brings something new to stunty rather than the run run or bash bash which most other teams seem to suffer from. I agree that the spiders need some sort of dodging ability since spiders are NIMBLE as hell when they want to be.
Also really like the shamen Star Player |
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hunter
Joined: Aug 11, 2003
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Mar 12, 2005 - 17:21 |
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At the request of origami, this team has been deemed ready for playtesting and has been added to the Stunty Compendium.
~hunter |
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hunter
Joined: Aug 11, 2003
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Aug 09, 2005 - 15:39 |
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Per origami, this team will not be included in the next round of stunty playtesting. It will, however, remain in the Stunty Compendium for anyone to playtest if desired.
Regards,
~hunter |
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Furious_George
Joined: Aug 13, 2005
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Oct 19, 2005 - 21:12 |
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Did this ever go anywhere, I love the idea of forest goblins, especially the spider riders, they sound refreshing. Any progress? |
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HunterX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 05, 2007 - 05:02 |
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origami wrote: |
Forest Goblins
0-12 Forest Goblins 6/2/3/7 Dodge, Stunty 40k (A)
0-2 Forest Goblin Thrower 6/2/3/5 Pass 60k (A,P)
0-4 Forest Goblin Catcher 8/1/3/5 Dodge, NOS, Stunty 50k (A)
0-2 Spider Rider 6/4/2/8 Big Guy, Bonehead, Two Heads, Shadowing 120k (G,A)
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Was wondering what folks thought of having the riders be like Fumlig Da Venomous:
Fumlig da Venomuz Spida
Cost MA ST AG AV
50000 6 2 3 7
Teams Goblin Cheaters, Squig Herders
Skills & Traits Dodge, Tentacles
Secret Weapons Poisoned Dagger
But more along the lines of (6237 Wild Animal, Dodge, Two Heads (spider+rider), Leap, Poison Dagger/120000/A) as hunting spiders tend to pounce on their prey and then deliver a poisonous bite.
In addition, I don't see how a goblin catcher can have as great a move as skinks. I'd drop the move by one.
Also, why do the standard forest goblins have higher armor? I didn't think they wore any? And don't they have spears or javelins (stakes)? Is this something to consider instead of the non-fluff type throwers/catchers?
Origami has not been on in 37 weeks so what does the community think? |
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PirateRob
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 05, 2007 - 05:32 |
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On a non important note spider riders do have 2 heads, one spider and one goblin.
Does look like an interesting team although the catchers with Nerves of Steel and Stunty seem awfully good as catchers I suppose the team doesn't really have much else going for it. |
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Dec 05, 2007 - 05:51 |
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Forest Goblins is a great idea for a team, but I think this roster (especially considering it's age) isn't really the best. |
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GreySeerFerretBitten
Joined: Oct 29, 2003
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Dec 05, 2007 - 06:02 |
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A passing game is not a bad idea for stunty. I am not sure about this roster.
At minimum:
I like your changes to the riders but I'd also drop the Two Heads if you are gonna keep the AG at 3.
Drop the AV of the Forest Goblin to 6.
Drop the MV of the Catcher to 6 (if you keep NOS), and 7 if you drop it.
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Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Dec 05, 2007 - 06:22 |
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Here's a more Fluffy version that incorporates the new version of the Spider Riders:
0-2 Spider Rider 100K 7 2 3 7 Dodge, Leap, Poison Dagger, Two Heads, Wild Animal (A)
0-2 Forest Goblin Shaman 70k 6 2 3 5 Dodge, Hypnotic Gaze, Stunty (G,A)
0-4 Forest Goblin Stika 70k 6 2 3 6 Dodge, Stakes, Stunty (A)
0-12 Forest Goblins 6 2 3 6 Dodge, Stunty 40k (A) |
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tenpole
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
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Dec 05, 2007 - 06:31 |
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I like craftburns roster best. |
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Fizban
Joined: Sep 09, 2003
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Dec 05, 2007 - 06:33 |
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This team looks quality and fun. I agree with all of MindWright's suggestions as well as Smess' suggestion of moving the spider rider to AG2. As for the thrower, do take the 'shaman' suggestion. It fits the GW fluff better (which is fluff I love) and lets you give the 'passer' something interesting instead of strong arm. Keep passing skills on the shaman, though.
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princevaliant
Joined: Nov 12, 2006
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Dec 05, 2007 - 06:37 |
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the originally suggested roster is cool...but Craftnburn's is much better and looks like a ton of fun. A great roster to replace regular Goblins with. |
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 05, 2007 - 09:25 |
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Craftnburn wrote: | Here's a more Fluffy version that incorporates the new version of the Spider Riders:
0-2 Spider Rider 100K 7 2 3 7 Dodge, Leap, Poison Dagger, Two Heads, Wild Animal (A)
0-2 Forest Goblin Shaman 70k 6 2 3 5 Dodge, Hypnotic Gaze, Stunty (G,A)
0-4 Forest Goblin Stika 70k 6 2 3 6 Dodge, Stakes, Stunty (A)
0-12 Forest Goblins 6 2 3 6 Dodge, Stunty 40k (A) |
Perfectly passable, if perhaps a little unexciting.
I loved Shadowing on the Spiders in the original proposal, and it could be fun to have a Gnoblar setup for this team, with a choice of two out of three different spiders (a hunting spider, a poisonous spider and a web spider).
70K for the Stikas is a little excessive -- 60 at the most, possibly just 50. Same for the Shaman. |
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Khaan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 05, 2007 - 10:36 |
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I love the forest goblin idea!
Some spider ideas:
0-1 Web spider rider 4418 Bone head, thick skull, no hands, mighty blow, tentacles, two heads (S) - 110k
An old cranky spider that the goblins prodded out of some dark cave. The smallest of the goblins got goaded into sitting atop the spider and in a total terrified state tries to control the spider, ie no hands and bone head. Pretty durable with av8, but no dodge cause this is one sluggish arachnia. However, has (S) access and MB to start, so if it skills up to 51 it gets access to fun skills.
0-1 Hunting spider rider 6337 Wild animal, frenzy, no hands, dodge, shadowing, two heads (A) - 120k
Fast blitzer type spider with a goblin hanging on for his life. Unruly with a sharp hunting instinct, and almost unstoppable once it befalls its prey.
0-1 Poison spider rider 5237 Bone head, no hands, dodge, poison dagger, two heads, jump up (A) - 100k
Like johan suggested, you get to pick max 2 of these guys. |
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