Craftnburn
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
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Aug 02, 2016 - 05:30 |
 
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"Don't paddle in the douche-canoe"!*
*I SO wish I could remember who coined this phrase on the forums... You are a god among men!  " |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Aug 02, 2016 - 05:36 |
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| DarthPhysicist wrote: | | Wreckage wrote: | | An overimposed -realistic goal- algorythm that considers things like players left, sacking threat and so on that can set various priority modes from -score imidiatly- -to score securely- to -stall it out-. And so on. |
That might surprise you as difficult to do well. The Cyanide AIs basically do that... and they are garbage. Appreciated garbage, but garbage none-the-less. |
Its actually not that difficult if you keep it simple. The key is to not overly constrain the moves but allow them to emerge naturally from a set of simple underlying ideas.
The way my code works is to repeatedly calculate every possible move for every (remaining to move) player and assign a “score†to the move. Then carry out the highest score move.
All the “thinking†goes into working out what the scores are， based on things like blitzing ball carrier， caging， screening etc.
I reckon the AI i coded is a reasonable challenge for coaches up to 155 CR， but that if I (or someone else) had time， its easy to make it significantly better.
Find the project in my blog  |
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Desultory
Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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Aug 02, 2016 - 20:32 |
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As a passing statement.... I meant in the distant future as AI improves. Aren't there AI engines writing music now? (I don't need a lesson on how music is different from blood bowl)
I was thinking more visionarilly than practically.
How can I play your AI Grod? Does it type?
The general ignorance shown in this thread make it quite clear to me why I want to hide the chat. |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Aug 12, 2016 - 06:58 |
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Yes you can and no it doesnt. Download link is on this page:
https://fumbbl.com/p/blog?c=Grod
As a sidenote， I did start playing around with chatbots， but that qould take a lot of time to do well. |
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fidius
Joined: Jun 17, 2011
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Aug 12, 2016 - 07:07 |
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| Desultory wrote: | | The general ignorance shown in this thread make it quite clear to me why I want to hide the chat. |
I missed this a week ago, so I'll say it now: rofl! |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Aug 12, 2016 - 07:40 |
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| Desultory wrote: |
The general ignorance shown in this thread make it quite clear to me why I want to hide the chat. |
Look, whether you like it or not, the perception of other people (especially so in a social game like BB) matters. Now there's no shame in admitting you're not a people person (I freely admit I'm the most chatty anti-social person in the world), that you find them beneath you, that they should feel guilty for not being on your level but...
You come off as anti-social and defiantly so and I am sincerely asking you to consider the gap between what you think you're saying and what we think you're saying.
There's an old joke I'll paraphrase: if you run into a jerk once in a while maybe the world has a handful of jerks. if everyone you run into is a jerk, you're one of the handful. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Aug 12, 2016 - 08:36 |
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| Craftnburn wrote: | "Don't paddle in the douche-canoe"!*
*I SO wish I could remember who coined this phrase on the forums... You are a god among men! " |
Shadow was first to use it on this forum. |
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Beanchilla
Joined: Sep 20, 2015
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Aug 12, 2016 - 10:20 |
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It might be tricky but honestly, just open notepad and pull it up over the chat. No need to make it a feature of the game. I think it's also easy to ignore chat. Usually, when I have an opponent who is a jerk, I just ignore them. Luckily that is a rare occurrence.
Hope that helps. I use notepad plus and have used it to block out areas on my screen in the past before. Not for this purpose but it helps. |
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Throweck
Joined: Feb 23, 2013
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Aug 12, 2016 - 10:54 |
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Desultory
Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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Aug 20, 2016 - 13:23 |
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I appreciate all the impartial advice about covering the chat box. Notepad is glaringly obvious to me now it's mentioned, but It didn't occur to me before, as I'm not in the common habit of hiding windows. The issue is solved for me now. Thank you. I won't write any more after this.
| mrt1212 wrote: |
Look, whether you like it or not, the perception of other people (especially so in a social game like BB) matters. Now there's no shame in admitting you're not a people person (I freely admit I'm the most chatty anti-social person in the world), that you find them beneath you, that they should feel guilty for not being on your level but...
You come off as anti-social and defiantly so and I am sincerely asking you to consider the gap between what you think you're saying and what we think you're saying.
There's an old joke I'll paraphrase: if you run into a jerk once in a while maybe the world has a handful of jerks. if everyone you run into is a jerk, you're one of the handful. |
All I've written throughout is that I am uninterested in writing to people in the chat box, and I've tried to explain why in my 'about' section. In my eyes that makes me less anti social than just ignoring every one I play. Although intrinsically this seems to offend, I haven't directly been rude or attacking about it at any point. Yet there are quite a few posters that have been attacking towards me. For example, In this post you have indirectly stated I'm a jerk. I've read another thread as well, where the same group who seem to think they are comedic genius', attack any one not adhering to their cultural values. This happens commonly in many microcultures. It is foolish.
- There are no rules that state Blood Bowl must be social. I don't lack social gratification in my day to day life, so I don't need to chat to some stranger I probably won't like.
- The perception/opinions of average people are based upon limited, often skewed or deluded variables that have no basis in objectivity. Like for example your opinions in this paragraph. Therefore it really is pointless for me to try to "consider the gap between what you think you're saying and what we think you're saying".
- There are definitely more than a handful of 'jerks' if the definition is 'a contemptibly foolish person' as per a quick google search. So according to some retarded 'joke' backwards logic, I must be foolish because I consider many people foolish.
- I'm quite happy for foolish people to think I'm a 'jerk'. Can you see how it's just a better outcome for every one if I just don't write? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 20, 2016 - 14:03 |
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Out of curiosity, do you greet people when you meet them in real life?
Assuming you do that, why should you not do the same in online games?
I understand that not all people like to chat and they just want to play a game, but in my opinion writing "Hi" at the start and "thanks for the game, see you" after the game is over is the minimum social interaction. |
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mekutata
Joined: May 03, 2015
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Aug 20, 2016 - 14:19 |
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playing a game against opponents who don't even greet or "gg" make me feel like playing all alone a stupid shitty videogame. |
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thoralf
Joined: Mar 06, 2008
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Aug 20, 2016 - 15:43 |
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| DarthPhysicist wrote: | | Chess also has no timer which as you watch a chess algorithm cycle through the possible moves [...] |
Of course you can haz such timer:
| Universal Chess Interface Protocol wrote: |
* movetime - search exactly x mseconds
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http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/UCIProtocol.html
How would computers be able to play speed chess otherwise?
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As for the prospect of an AI playing BB, consider that engines already beat human's ass in Backgammon and Scrabble, and that Texas Hold'Em is more or less solved.
Even if you need to prepare for failure in BB, I don't think the evaluation function is that complex. |
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thoralf
Joined: Mar 06, 2008
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Aug 20, 2016 - 16:00 |
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| Desultory wrote: | | There are no rules that state Blood Bowl must be social. |
I don't see the relevance of this argument. The notion of a social rule is moot, but if someone tells you something and you don't talk back, something's amiss and that something can even be found in any good manual, except perhaps this one.
| Desultory wrote: | | I don't need to chat to some stranger I probably won't like. The perception/opinions of average people are based upon limited, often skewed or deluded variables that have no basis in objectivity. |
The first sentence confirms the second, yet the argument made in the second undoes the argument made in the first. |
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Aug 20, 2016 - 16:07 |
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Just get a sticky note and put it on your monitor over the chat screen. |
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