GalakStarscraper
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 28, 2004 - 04:23 |
 
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Remind me that this means we cannot use any FUMBBL data at all to show if the Vampire team is balanced or not as this is a MAJOR improvement to the team, and to be honest ... I wouldn't play against a coach willing to make sure of this "feature".
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Nov 28, 2004 - 09:56 |
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but wasn't it said that it will be fixed? |
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GalakStarscraper
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 29, 2004 - 15:32 |
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| sk8bcn wrote: | | but wasn't it said that it will be fixed? |
I'll be watching the updates for when/if it gets fixed.
If Ski's life is like mine now ... its so difficult to find time to program. I'm really trying to get an LRB 4.0 version of the PBeM program for BB out and its tough with my family and work schedule right now.
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Eddy
Joined: Aug 04, 2004
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Nov 29, 2004 - 15:50 |
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i'm totally with BMM and Galak here. if i want to be sure to score, i move a thrall near the EZ. i would never score a TD by artificially 'overriding' OFAB thanks to the client's limitations. and i certainly wouldn't allow my opponent to score if he had no one to bite.
good news is, it's me who's playing vampires, most of the time, so i'm sure the game is as honest as it can be in this regard. |
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Glomp
Joined: Jan 04, 2004
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Nov 29, 2004 - 19:18 |
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According to Christer's news item, won't vampires stiff follow the old rules for failing OFAB?
If its the same for blitz/setting up 11 players then surely vamps are unchanged? |
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nazerdemus
Joined: Nov 02, 2004
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Nov 29, 2004 - 19:26 |
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the rules havent been changed regarding it have they ?
I thing this is different because the rules for this have always been the same its just nobody cared before they became ranked |
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Glomp
Joined: Jan 04, 2004
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Nov 29, 2004 - 19:32 |
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As far as I'm aware, the limit on vamps scoring after failing OFAB is a rules review addition... |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 16, 2005 - 19:32 |
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| GalakStarscraper wrote: | Remind me that this means we cannot use any FUMBBL data at all to show if the Vampire team is balanced or not as this is a MAJOR improvement to the team, and to be honest ... I wouldn't play against a coach willing to make sure of this "feature".
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Why not instead embrace this opportunity to see if the javabowl version of rules would make the vampire team balanced compared to the other teams? |
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GalakStarscraper
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 16, 2005 - 20:13 |
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| Taffsadar wrote: | | GalakStarscraper wrote: | Remind me that this means we cannot use any FUMBBL data at all to show if the Vampire team is balanced or not as this is a MAJOR improvement to the team, and to be honest ... I wouldn't play against a coach willing to make sure of this "feature".
Galak |
Why not instead embrace this opportunity to see if the javabowl version of rules would make the vampire team balanced compared to the other teams? |
Because the Vampire team is not supposed to be balanced compared to the other teams. It is by design supposed to be challenging to play, and allowing coaches free TDs when they have failed their Blood Lust roll is just way too much of a benefit to the team. I've seen coaches in my league play this team the correct way and come within one win of being my league's champion. So sorry I have intention of embracing FUMBBL client issues ... the rules are written the way they are based on over 1 1/2 of league playtesting and I'll stand behind the way the team was built.
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 16, 2005 - 20:41 |
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| GalakStarscraper wrote: | Remind me that this means we cannot use any FUMBBL data at all to show if the Vampire team is balanced or not as this is a MAJOR improvement to the team, and to be honest ... I wouldn't play against a coach willing to make sure of this "feature".
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yeah, stuff like this is why many people who aent part of the online community and those who arent from FUMBBL "tar us all with the same brush" as the select few will exploit a bug.
I cant help but feeling that those people who do this, dont really play on tabletop.
I really think it should be made the rules again that the LRB is the primary sourse for rules queries... not the client... |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 16, 2005 - 20:44 |
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and to be honest, vamps are very good if you know some of the secrets (or common sense)
Leave a thrall beside where you want your vamp to be incase you fail OFAB and try to do as much as you can before you start moving vamps 
There are more but i wont tell ^^ |
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Uber
Joined: Mar 22, 2004
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Mar 16, 2005 - 20:46 |
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Galak doesn't know what he's talking about, don't pay attention to him. He hides behind his playtesters.
I encourage everyone to embrace Fumbbl and score on ofab. |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 16, 2005 - 20:47 |
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| GalakStarscraper wrote: | | Taffsadar wrote: | | GalakStarscraper wrote: | Remind me that this means we cannot use any FUMBBL data at all to show if the Vampire team is balanced or not as this is a MAJOR improvement to the team, and to be honest ... I wouldn't play against a coach willing to make sure of this "feature".
Galak |
Why not instead embrace this opportunity to see if the javabowl version of rules would make the vampire team balanced compared to the other teams? |
Because the Vampire team is not supposed to be balanced compared to the other teams. It is by design supposed to be challenging to play, and allowing coaches free TDs when they have failed their Blood Lust roll is just way too much of a benefit to the team. I've seen coaches in my league play this team the correct way and come within one win of being my league's champion. So sorry I have intention of embracing FUMBBL client issues ... the rules are written the way they are based on over 1 1/2 of league playtesting and I'll stand behind the way the team was built.
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So what your saying is "We want this team to suck so I'm not even going to look at any improvements of the team that might end up making them balanced or overpowered"?
Sure that's your choice but it still doesn't seem like a sensible choice considering that it would take you less than a minute to check the statistics page and look at how much worse/better the Vampire team is compared to the classic teams. |
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Britnoth
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 16, 2005 - 20:49 |
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| brownrob wrote: | yeah, stuff like this is why many people who aent part of the online community and those who arent from FUMBBL "tar us all with the same brush" as the select few will exploit a bug.
I cant help but feeling that those people who do this, dont really play on tabletop.
I really think it should be made the rules again that the LRB is the primary sourse for rules queries... not the client... |
*sigh*
Look, it isnt a bug. You just said it is and then agreed it isn't, contradicting yourself. It is how the client interprets the rules. We play by the rules FUMBBL set. They say the client takes precedence over the LRB over known issues. This very thing is even written down in the differences text, so it cannot possibly be abusing a bug can it? We play using the tool we have, complaining about scoring on OFAB is no different from complaining about hiring stars after agreeing to play..... its opposite of what the LRB says but it is the rules of the game here.
Can't believe im defending hiring stars.  |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 16, 2005 - 21:06 |
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well, i play according to the LRB, if a vamp can score and fails OFAB ill go looking for a thrall, i wont hire a star while my opponent hosts... all im saying is, this is a LRB compliant, or so we are led to believe, why then can a vamp score if he fails OFAB and doesnt bite a thrall. In the LRB, the vamp drops the ball and is placed in the reserves and does not score a touchdown. I am more frustrated by the etiquette of the thing more than anything else... 
if someone did that to me id never play them again, as would most coaches... |
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