koadah
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Dec 11, 2014 - 20:59 |
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| koadah wrote: | | Is that another joke PS? |
Not at all. If you took the Luck O meter that was posted in the post match. Average it out over a large span of matches. You found that good coaches magically had a high average Luck O Meter rating and coaches who we would call poor had a below average Luck O meter rating.
the Luck O meter just like CR over a very short period of time (matches) is whacky and not stable BUT once you stack 50+ games on top of a team it starts to stabilize out and does reflect good coaches from average coaches to bad coaches. |
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koadah
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Dec 11, 2014 - 21:04 |
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| PainState wrote: | | koadah wrote: | | Is that another joke PS? |
Not at all. If you took the Luck O meter that was posted in the post match. Average it out over a large span of matches. You found that good coaches magically had a high average Luck O Meter rating and coaches who we would call poor had a below average Luck O meter rating.
the Luck O meter just like CR over a very short period of time (matches) is whacky and not stable BUT once you stack 50+ games on top of a team it starts to stabilize out and does reflect good coaches from average coaches to bad coaches. |
It was not really a luck meter it was a success meter.
If you are consistently having successful rolls then you will be likely to win games.
Better coaches will be more likely to set up successful rolls. Be less likely to be making desperate rolls etc.
It's pretty much what you would expect.
The more you practice the luckier you get. |
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PainState
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Dec 11, 2014 - 21:06 |
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And that same theory applies to the CR scale also koadah. |
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albinv
Joined: Sep 15, 2012
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Dec 11, 2014 - 21:19 |
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Hrhrhr - someone ranted about CR in public - and i did not! |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Dec 11, 2014 - 21:53 |
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| Christer wrote: | The named brackets are more accurate to the actual granularity of the system which is why they're the primary thing that's shown on the site these days.
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Have you considered hiding everything except the categories? |
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Garion
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Dec 11, 2014 - 22:11 |
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| the_Sage wrote: | | Christer wrote: | The named brackets are more accurate to the actual granularity of the system which is why they're the primary thing that's shown on the site these days.
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Have you considered hiding everything except the categories? |
That wouldn't be a good idea. In all computer games people enjoy chasing numbers, it's what helps create the addiction. Once you stop caring about the numbers it's too late you are an addict!
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Christer
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I did hide it. People hated it. So it's shown again, albeit in a slightly less visible manner. |
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Lorebass
Joined: Jun 25, 2010
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Pffft, what a useful thread. You wanna see CR? well mine is good/crappy 'cause i play low tier teams. Wanna complain about dice? THIS is dice.
If you roll 100 dices then you will more than likely get a number of ones/twos/threes(khemri). If you roll a thousand dices then the same applies. Have you all also forgotten that 6's on av and casualty rolls cause death and dismemberment?
Have you all noticed that we are playing a game? Your rank is your rank, maybe assume that your actual skill level is +/- one entire level compared to others of that rank. Then realize that the formula is way more complicated than "I rolled a one so my rank died". Then realize that my 6 year old complains less.
THEN well... just go and play a fun game of BB. |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Dec 12, 2014 - 00:17 |
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My CR got pretty high from picking (and the occasional lucky streak in a major). It also took some hits whenever I played anything suboptimal (stunties, liz with few sauri, dodgeless elves, bashless chaos). When I realized caring about CR was costing me fun by limiting my playstyle, I quickly stopped caring about it at all. |
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Dec 12, 2014 - 19:31 |
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IMO the main issue a lot of coaches have with CR is the idea that the other coach has a higher CR than you, so, you do not have a "shot" or a good chance of beating them. Which IMHO is a total crock. In less you are truly just starting out and learning the ropes. Most coaches on any given match have a good chance of beating each other. Way to many other factors beside CR decide the outcome of the game. Now over the long haul of lets say 10 games. You play the same Higher CR coach who is 10+ points over you. Yeah you might win 2 to 4 of the 10.
But that is not the same as a one off match. You are not comparing apples to apples then.
Most coaches think CR is flawed especially in the Ranked Division because they deep down think everybody is "picking", except for them of course. and getting an unfair bump in their CR. Which in turns makes them mad because they think deep down they are a better coach than the higher CR coach because well....back to default setting....he is a picker.
Tournaments which are blind draws, no picking, one and done. Show hands down over the course of years on FUMBBL. The #1 indicator of success is CR, you cannot deny that.
So if the theory is that coaches have inflated CR due to picking or messing with the Box scheduler. How come we do not see a lot of the mid tier 145-155 CR coaches making final 16's and final 8's because they play the "real" way and do not "pick" and take on all comers, which is why their CR is not in the 156+ range.? |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Dec 12, 2014 - 19:42 |
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| PainState wrote: | | IMO the main issue a lot of coaches have with CR is the idea that the other coach has a higher CR than you, so, you do not have a "shot" or a good chance of beating them. Which IMHO is a total crock. In less you are truly just starting out and learning the ropes. Most coaches on any given match have a good chance of beating each other. |
Yes but with modern gaming in general, and CRP over any previous version of BB, highly rated players push the odds in their favour. I reckon there are a lot of us that could go toe to toe with higher rated players, playing the exact same roster. However a lot of the better players have majorly turned the odds in their favour before a ball is kicked. That's a big difference. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Dec 12, 2014 - 19:51 |
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Not really a problem. TV management is part of the game and higher CR coaches certainly tend to do that better. |
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cdassak
Joined: Oct 23, 2013
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Dec 12, 2014 - 19:56 |
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Race, team (build), matchup, coach skill, luck. The rule of 5 for determining the result of a Blood Bowl game. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Dec 12, 2014 - 20:11 |
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| JimmyFantastic wrote: | | Not really a problem. TV management is part of the game and higher CR coaches certainly tend to do that better. |
A huge problem, the major problem with the game right now, and you're one of the coaches benefitting from it.
TV management and it's success is far too skewed. |
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