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| So, what would you do with these teams? |
| Allow both, there's nothing there that bothers me. |
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51% |
[ 31 ] |
| Stop them both! Where's my big black marker...? |
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11% |
[ 7 ] |
| No.1 is OK, cause it's funny. No.2 is just sad, so away it goes. |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| I'll cencor the bad sex joke in no.1, but no.2 is OK with me. |
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36% |
[ 22 ] |
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| Total Votes : 60 |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Oct 06, 2005 - 14:29 |
 
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Heh, Ive no idea who tracy Lords is either 
Not trying to burn you, but if you have any doubts that it wont be approved, you are probably right, and they will unlikely get approved, and after all, FUMBBL is accessible to all age groups, as there is no age restriction on the board game, and thats fine by me!
It also works the other way too... If i made a team called "Fags" with players known as cigarette brands eg. Marlboro, Benson&Hedges, it would likely cause no offence to the UK guy, but to an american, the word takes on a different meaning!
Your connotations are subtle, but you can apply it to other subjects that will cause no offence at all, for example, I named my new-ish Khemri...
"Bones 4 U"
In reference to a TV ad for a mobile phone company here (Phones 4 U), but nobody has picked up that yet hehe 
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Gran
Joined: Jul 07, 2005
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Oct 06, 2005 - 21:21 |
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*sigh*
Well, I haven't seen anything with Tracie Lords either, but that doesn't stop me from knowing her name and the fact that she is one of the more infamous porn stars.
*sigh again*
But I guess it was foolish of me to expect a serious debate about this. Bah. |
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MrMojo
Joined: Apr 17, 2004
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Oct 06, 2005 - 21:23 |
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Yup. Never expect a serious debate on fumbbl forums. |
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BiggieB
Joined: Feb 19, 2005
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Oct 06, 2005 - 22:44 |
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exactly what do ya want to debate? I figure you just one of those peeps that thinks approver is a job, well I got news for ya: Approvers are players just like u. AND they have different oppinions about stuff, still they got one thing in comon: they do it to help out fumbbl cuz simply if everyone would create family clean teams then there would be no problem. Now that aint the case and there is approvers so if u want to contribute to the policy then try to become one and u can approve whatever teams ya want as long as you figure its clean. Most of the approvers here just want to help out, I doubt any of them do it to have fun dissalowing ya team. So lay down on the good guys and maybe do something more constructive with your time will you? And this goes to the rest of the peeps out there thinking approvers are just some kind of ape waiting to do your bidding: Have pie will ya? |
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Longshanks
Joined: Feb 02, 2005
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Oct 06, 2005 - 23:29 |
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Like MrMojo, I didn't recognise the names of the players in Team 2 as porn stars (on the odd occasion I watch porn the names of the 'actors' - and I use the word liberally - isn't what catches my attention ). I inferred they were porn stars when you posed the question but as an approver given your team list on it's own without any discussion leading up to it, I would have approved the team as the names are just that, names. I'm sure there must be someone else in the world named Tracie Lord who isn't a porn star!
The point is, I can't be responsible for how others interpret your team or player names. On the face of it there is nothing offensive about the names and it takes a degree of knowledge before you could potentially find them offensive (i.e. assuming you find porn offensive - altho as a family site I agree fumbbl should adopt a conservative view on that). So for me it comes down to what an approver could realistically expect the everyday fumbbl user to know. Without getting into the 'Hitler' debate again, it's reasonable to assume the majority know who he was and why he was infamous - the same is not true for porn stars (at least I don't think it is). For most user they are just names and therefore no problem.
Having said that, if you pointed out to me when submitting the team that the players were all porn stars I probably wouldn't approve it.
Longshanks
ps I think everyone understands you're putting the names up only as an example. |
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Jinxed
Joined: Jul 04, 2004
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Oct 07, 2005 - 00:01 |
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It is easy really.
I myself am not bothered even in the slightest by both options presented.
BUT I'd disallow no. 1 because I am supposed to do so.
I would allow no.2 since anyone recognising names of Pr0n-star names is likeley to be adult enough to handle it.
I'd think it would be poor taste but that is not what I am approving. Nope. Not taste.
Just if it is 'family-friendly', no more no less. |
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Rijssiej
Joined: Jan 04, 2005
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Oct 07, 2005 - 00:14 |
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I agree with Jinxed  |
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Symmetrical
Joined: Jan 15, 2005
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Oct 07, 2005 - 00:43 |
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As a sidenote:
The New Zealand Rugby team is called the All Blacks. In an effort to latch onto the popularity of the Rugby team, turn some heads in the media, and hopefully generate some sponsorship dollars, New Zealand's Badminton team changed their name to the "Black Cocks", reffering to the small feathered missile that is propelled back & forth in badminton.
The change didn't last long.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/15/nz_badminton_kerfuffle/ |
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ozjesting
Joined: Jan 27, 2004
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Oct 07, 2005 - 00:57 |
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By the same token there is a South Carolina University whose mascot is the Gamecocks. And there have been billboards with statements like "You can't lick our 'Cocks" I myself have one of their hats which just says "Cocks". But I still wouldn't approve them here |
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Gran
Joined: Jul 07, 2005
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Oct 07, 2005 - 01:04 |
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@Balint:
Oh, I have the utmost respect for the approvers and the work the do... up until I read this that is. Not only did you not get it, but all you really did was flame. As much as I would like to respond, that wouldn't be very constructive. At least I respect most of the approvers...
@Longshanks/Jinxed:
So you judge solely on language then. As long as the words used are not considered foul, you'll allow it, or? Would you allow more scientific versions of foul language? How big a role would you say the setting plays? Exampel: Nurgle's Rotters called 'Pussy Pirates'. Would you allow that or would you rename them 'Pirates of Pus' or something like that?
EDIT: That is an adjective, meaning 'covered and/or filled with pus'... |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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An approver writes:
Pussy Pirates: I'd dissallow it.
And, of course, I'd follow policy on original question. Dissallow 1 and allow 2. |
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Mithrilpoint
Joined: Mar 16, 2004
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Oct 07, 2005 - 01:49 |
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...but of course it it very family friendly to write "bugger off, will ya...." in the forums. Yup sureee, no problem here. COme on Balint - you can so better than that.
I really couldnt care less if pussies or pornstars were accepted. But i grow tired of playing against gay themed wood elf teams and porn star themed amazon teams. But give people the opportunity to change and decide anything and you will have flaming, porn, badmouthing etc. I have a technique which i will gladly share with all of you my bestest fumbbl friends. Say this out loud:
"The approvers are there because the powers that be wants them there. This is not gonna change"
"The approvers are there because the powers that be wants them there. This is not gonna change"
"The approvers are there because the powers that be wants them there. This is not gonna change"
"The approvers are there bec......
Repeat ad lib untill you understand, please.
M |
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BiggieB
Joined: Feb 19, 2005
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Oct 07, 2005 - 08:20 |
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well I was quite angry and fed up when I wrote that and maybe it wasnt the best idea of mine so far  and not so well written at that sorry. I approve around 60 teams a day, 56 of them has no question about they family frendlyness. Then we have the odd (mostly lizardmen) team that is named xjfifekoz or something like that. In that case I usually try to get in contact with the coach who´s team it is and ask him what he´s idea is for the team, more often then not he has taken inca names or something and given it to his players, so I approve it aswell. What I would reject is offensive teamnames ie Pakhibashers, (a term used to discriminate people of indian - pakistanian origin.) Word games of that word ie Bashers of le Pac would get trough simply because I have no fantasy enough to find it foul, and hopefolly the ones we want to protect wouldnt either. The same implyies to playernames Analsex would be dissalowed but Sylvia Saint would get trough even though she might had anal sex, it is still just a name. What you name your team is none of my buisness and how you make it either, all I do is check that you gave it proper names. I think most of us do. There is a very good section under the user guide which states what player names are accepted and which are not. Figure I will see you in one way or another so have fun creating teams all. But be patient with approval from time to time we might not have time to approve ya team in 5 secs
thats all folks |
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Jinxed
Joined: Jul 04, 2004
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Oct 07, 2005 - 08:26 |
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@Longshanks/Jinxed:
So you judge solely on language then.
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Not quite. I approve (not judge!) based on fumbbl-guidelines.
These are easy to find. In the well-kept secret labelled 'user guide' |
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Uggluk_Everhard
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Oct 07, 2005 - 10:04 |
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| Balint wrote: | | Then we have the odd (mostly lizardmen) team that is named xjfifekoz or something like that. In that case I usually try to get in contact with the coach who´s team it is and ask him what he´s idea is for the team, more often then not he has taken inca names or something and given it to his players, so I approve it aswell. |
I didn't think I was terribly original or anything, but does everyone give their lizardteams Inca or Aztec names? I worked pretty hard with my names, making up (or stealing) Aztec names ain't easy, at least not for me. I probably just could have stolen the names from some other team then, saved me some trouble.
Back to the issue at hand. As I've said before, I think the naming restrictions are a little to harsh. Some people have misinterpreted this (on purpose perhaps?) and act like I want to get rid of the naming restricitions all together. I don't. I know there is a need for them. It also seems very popular to acuse us of admin bashing. That's not what it's about either. I know they aren't getting paid for doing this, of course I am gratefull I can play and have fun on Fumbbl. But that doesn't prevent me from sometimes disagreeing with them and try to influence them to rethink a few of their rules, does it? Those who want to ease the restrictions just a bit have been pretty civil about it, it isn't a life and death issue after all, but judging from some of the responses we get, you'd think we've been cursing and screaming bloody murder up and down the forums. It just isn't so.
So, Christer and the team, keep up the good work! But give the naming restrictions some more though, ok?  |
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