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| DP on a Saurus? |
| Ooh, nice idea! |
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11% |
[ 19 ] |
| No, that's skink work! |
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40% |
[ 69 ] |
| Pie DP? |
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11% |
[ 19 ] |
| Even better, DP Kroxigor. |
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37% |
[ 65 ] |
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| Total Votes : 172 |
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maysrill
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
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Sep 25, 2009 - 15:50 |
 
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In general, a lizardman team is short on DPs, needing to wait for a skink to roll doubles and spending the double on Pirty Player. Then the fragile little av7 Stunty gets targetted for elimination, which isn't all that hard to accomlish. Rinse and repeat.
But what if you used a Saurus as a DP instead? Sauruses have a very nice skill selection and need just about everything, so spending a skill on DP may seem wasteful, but it has some advantatges.
Pros:
-DP is a normal skill roll
-ST4 and av9 make them much harder to snuff out, meaning fewer times having to skill up a new DP
-ST4 also means your DP is useful even when not fouling
-allows doubles rolls on skinks to be used for Block, SH, etc.
-makes a saurus more of a target, lessening the risk to skinks (and hopefully leading to less player turnover)
Cons:
-Block, MB, Guard, Break Tackle. Sauruses can also get these on normal rolls. Sauruses need these.
-you only get 6 sauruses, and getting one called off weakens the team more than losing one skink
Having a 15-game-old lizardman team that has yet to field a DP* is getting a little old. I'm wondering whether it might not be time to think outside the box.
(*I have a ST3 skink that I gave Block on a doubles roll, which I felt was more useful than DP for that player, it's gotten my only doubles though, so far) |
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freak_in_a_frock
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 25, 2009 - 15:55 |
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I have often wondered this myself. Obviously the Saurus shouldn't be used in a foul war style, but for those times when yo uget the ref i am sure it would be ideal. Combined with break tackle and you saurus will be able to avoid being tied down too. |
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Bascrebolder
Joined: Nov 19, 2004
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Sep 25, 2009 - 16:04 |
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I’m not experienced at all with playing lizzies but I guess that you do not want your Saurii being eject ever... They are way too important for that. Besides that I think that your skink would have benefitted more from dp than from block unless said skink already has some cool stat upgrades which make him worth protecting with the block skill...
Just my 2cents though and wondering what more experienced coaches have to say... |
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maysrill
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
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Sep 25, 2009 - 16:11 |
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| Bascrebolder wrote: | Besides that I think that your skink would have benefitted more from dp than from block unless said skink already has some cool stat upgrades which make him worth protecting with the block skill...
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As mentioned, it is a ST3 skink. +ST is a cool stat upgrade, IMO. |
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Bascrebolder
Joined: Nov 19, 2004
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Sep 25, 2009 - 16:19 |
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Should have read better... A +ST skink is indeed worthy of block 
Still not sure wether you need a DP desperately enough to use a precious Saurii skill for it though... |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Sep 25, 2009 - 16:20 |
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Clearly, you have to give DP to the krox. With his added weight, he is able to inflict so much more damage!
On a serious note? Are you that depended on fouling? Even if you get the ref with lizzies, fouling every turn will hurt you more than benefit you against the majority of the teams. Because they can take out your sauri, that have consist of the front. And that isn`t what you want. Fouling with having the ref would be way to risky, even without the eye. Ejections happens 5 in 36 times and if it costs you a saurus, you team is significantly weakened.
Also you have to think about what saurus gets it. A rookie can be tied down easily, making DP alot less useful. And do you really want a block/BT saurus to be ejected? The smart foul is often no foul at all. |
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JHassler
Joined: Jun 15, 2009
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Sep 25, 2009 - 16:40 |
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Agree with CL for sure on this one. DP not that important on a team that should major in ball control witht he skinks and positioning and blocking with the Sauri. If this doesn't sound like fun to you, than maybe start a khemri team full of DP and join the others who can't score without removing the other team from the pitch. Oh yea... I mean, imho. |
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DrDiscoStu
Joined: Feb 20, 2006
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Sep 25, 2009 - 16:40 |
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as a long time lizardman coach i do not think it is worth it. you're better serving without one than wasting those precious skill rolls on sauraii.
ps. if you're a new lizardman coach you might find my blog useful, i discuss skill selections quite a bit |
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krytie
Joined: Aug 16, 2007
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Sep 25, 2009 - 16:52 |
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giving a saurus MB instead of DP will have almost as much effect and can be applied over and over without risk of ejection (unless you count double skulls  ) and reinforces block. It's still possible to foul with the skinks if necessary, but without DP it is often wiser not to foul back and win the foul war that way. If 3-6 block-MB Saurus aren't giving you a numbers advantage already then it's clear Nuffle just doesn't like you |
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Mightypeon
Joined: Jan 13, 2009
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Sep 25, 2009 - 17:03 |
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Also, as soon as you get a Saurus with DP your Skinks will start rolling doubles, unless you intentionally gave a Saurus DP to induce this very effect, in this case you obviously wont get any because Nuffle knows what you think!
I was also suprised how competitive Lizards can be without DP.
My main Lizard team:
http://www.fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&showmatches=1&team_id=549718
Had a long streak without any DP.
I won 9 Out of 14 High TR games with boot induced DP absolence (Yes, thats like Cold Turkey but worse!)
while 2 of my defeats were total dicerapes (as was at least one of my wins, like most people I am much worse in remembering dicerapes in my favor) which no amount of DP would have changed.
However, without DP you get totally hosed by Dark Elfs and High Elfs, especially if they have DP while you dont. |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Sep 25, 2009 - 17:31 |
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... on the other hand, Lizzardmen make a pretty good team to foul with, simply because of all that movement! Slower moving teams often give up position to make fouls, but with fast moving lizzards, a succesful fouling game can be to your advantage.
I prefer to wait for a skink double, but I like the "out-of-the-box" thinking for a saurus DP. Why don't you just do it, and report back here how it went? It surely will be lots of fun, if nothing else. |
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Cloggy
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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Sep 25, 2009 - 18:02 |
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Your poll is mising the "only if you are Paulhicks" option. |
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Zombie69
Joined: Jul 02, 2007
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Sep 25, 2009 - 18:15 |
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| DrDiscoStu wrote: | as a long time lizardman coach i do not think it is worth it. you're better serving without one than wasting those precious skill rolls on sauraii.
ps. if you're a new lizardman coach you might find my blog useful, i discuss skill selections quite a bit |
Before i read your blog, you'll have to learn how to spell the plural of Saurus. It's Sauri, not Saurii and even less so Sauraii. As a long time lizardman coach, you should know this!  |
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JHassler
Joined: Jun 15, 2009
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Sep 25, 2009 - 19:38 |
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Those are Japanese warrior lizardmen |
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Snappy_Dresser
Joined: Feb 11, 2005
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Sep 25, 2009 - 19:44 |
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| Zombie69 wrote: | | DrDiscoStu wrote: | as a long time lizardman coach i do not think it is worth it. you're better serving without one than wasting those precious skill rolls on sauraii.
ps. if you're a new lizardman coach you might find my blog useful, i discuss skill selections quite a bit |
Before i read your blog, you'll have to learn how to spell the plural of Saurus. It's Sauri, not Saurii and even less so Sauraii. As a long time lizardman coach, you should know this! |
not Saurians? or Sauranians? |
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