FreeRange
Joined: Dec 12, 2009
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Sep 13, 2011 - 17:22 |
 
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After a game in which my opponent was regularly attempting, and succeeding, with maneuvers that I would normally not attempt due to great risk of failure, I begin to wonder what is the general attitude towards risk of the coaches on FUMBBL? I know certain late and tight situations call for more risk but I am talking about risk in normal play.
So with that in mind, where does you risk tolerance lie? |
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robocoyote
Joined: Oct 19, 2010
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Sep 13, 2011 - 17:23 |
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For me it depends on my team. I normally attempt bigger risk playes with my skaven, than i do my undead for instance. Skaven if you just succeed once can take the ball and move it out of reach, but undead even if you pop it loose, will just be able to pill around it. |
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nin
Joined: May 27, 2005
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Sep 13, 2011 - 17:45 |
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You know, 33'3... is probability of failure of a 1d without Block and also success rate of 1d vs Block (but 1d with block against skilless player goes up to 50)
And if you just need a push numbers go higher.
If my chances of success are 1/3 (close to 2d against a Blodger) but chances of failure are lower (1/9 of turnover in 2d without Block or RR) I'd probably try at some point in the turn.
I may even consider 1d with a zombie on a WD on the last moves.
To be true, when failure means I lose the rest of the turn but not the match while success means I win, suddendly some crazy moves start to look appealing (the reason I like teams with stunty players and Vampires) |
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Tigga
Joined: Dec 21, 2007
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Sep 13, 2011 - 17:57 |
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It's purely situational. Failure has many different levels and can be game losing or really not much of an issue at all. When chosing what move to make you have to look at the risk:reward ratio of different alternatives. High risk plays often come with high rewards, low risk with low rewards. |
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Hitonagashi
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:00 |
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Offense? Defense? Race? Effects on failing the risk?
I vote PIE! (or I would  ). |
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Shraaaag
Joined: Feb 15, 2004
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:05 |
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Depends on my mood. However I try not to cross the thin line between idiotic/desperate moves and brilliant tactic too often. |
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:07 |
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In the big pitcture I will attempt 3+ with reroll all day long...big picture.
BUT every game is diffrent with hundreds of variables. Thus cannot say what is "safe" when it comes to risk.
example: With Humans I have allways felt when playing against orcs you have to attempt alot more 1bd blocks and dodge a lot more to get a tactical advantage...under normal conditions I would not be attempting 3 1bd attempts and 4 dodges in a turn...but that is a very specific example. |
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PainState
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:10 |
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Of course when the dice are going bad so to speak maybe just maybe that is NUFFLE telling you to attempt that blitz move when you need 3X 4+ dodges with a GFI on a 1BD against a blodger with no tackle...it does work sometimes...and then all of sudden the dice dont seem to be so bad after all and you smile when your opponeet comes unglued in chat.
I will admit if that is your perfered mode of playing Blood Bowl I will give you a thumbs up for fun but dont complain that your CR or BWR is bottom feeding.
Oh crap...I just figured out my own problem. Change is hard though. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:10 |
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Even doing a GFI has a very significant risk. They fail all the time! 3+ pickups with sure hands seem to be another regular fail. |
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krytie
Joined: Aug 16, 2007
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:15 |
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Depends on so many things but here's the short version:
Provided i don't need the TZ for something, and have done all my necessary stuff, I'll attempt any block where odds of knockdown >= odds of being knocked down. (This of course does not apply if going after the ball.)
In terms of crazy plays withthe ball on offence, i generally won't roll the dice unless i'm forced to, although i do make far too many 2+ attempts. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:17 |
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It's far too situational to say. But I enjoy dodging into cages on a 5+ with Dodge, thats gives you 55% chances, same goes for picking the ball up with ag1 players, i do that a fair bit too.
Like when the box first went ffb i made sure i scored twice with my snow troll in my norse team to get him MB straight away. |
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Shraaaag
Joined: Feb 15, 2004
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:22 |
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I do throw alot of goblins though.... |
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Ancre
Joined: Aug 17, 2009
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:33 |
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I'm not scared of trying silly things. That's why I love elves so much ! And I guess that's why they die all the time too. But heh, what can I say ? If you don't have skills, count on your luck  |
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Malmir
Joined: May 20, 2008
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Sep 13, 2011 - 18:38 |
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Whatever is minimal to get the job done. Ideally that is 3D with block, tackle and a rr, but it could be 6+ -3D if that's what is needed to win the game. |
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Azure
Joined: Jan 30, 2007
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Sep 13, 2011 - 20:01 |
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| Malmir wrote: | | Whatever is minimal to get the job done. Ideally that is 3D with block, tackle and a rr, but it could be 6+ -3D if that's what is needed to win the game. |
Agreed. Maximize probability of each action - but not afraid to take the risky actions if that is the only recourse. |
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