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Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 18:05 Reply with quote Back to top

Cuz I like doing this kind of thing:

Shrieking Bloodstorm (Lizardmen)

#1 Krrrrronk, 42 games, value: 220000, cost: 280000
#2 Scazar, 4 games, value: 85000, cost: 105000
#3 Sceral, 100 games, value: 245000, cost: 385000
#4 Tleloc, 99 games, value: 205000, cost: 345000
#5 Telleek, 47 games, value: 185000, cost: 265000
#6 Tallac, 144 games, value: 205000, cost: 405000
#7 Zerkat, 10 games, value: 125000, cost: 145000
#8 Kazzee, 58 games, value: 140000, cost: 220000
#9 Sthevee, 0 games, value: 60000, cost: 60000
#10 Shindahl, 142 games, value: 220000, cost: 420000
#11 Clesskee, 7 games, value: 60000, cost: 80000
#12 Laveei, 0 games, value: 60000, cost: 60000
#13 Ziaslees, 42 games, value: 200000, cost: 260000
#14 Lizzenca, 24 games, value: 60000, cost: 100000
#16 Zikstel, 12 games, value: 80000, cost: 100000

Players: value: 2,190,000, agent fees: 1,160,000, total cost: 3,350,000
Assets: value: 350,000, agent fees: 0, total cost: 350,000

Total: value: 2,540,000, total cost: 3,700,000

Team Record: 9/1/5
Base Budget: 1000000
Games Played: 300000
Teams Record: 190000
Team Treasury 500000
Total Budget 1890000

Here's hoping that players don't count for the full number of seasons on the first redraft. Shindahl is stupidly expensive, but, can't be given up.

So, even with that no cap redraft, we'd be looking at
Shindahl (420) + Zerkat (145) + Telleek (265) = 830,000
New: Krox (140), 4 Saurii (340), 5 Skinks (300) = 780,000
1 Apo (50), 3 Re-rolls (210), 1 Cheerleader, 1 Assistant Coach (20) = 280,000
Total: Cost: 1,890,000
Total: Value: 1,590,000
Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 18:30 Reply with quote Back to top

A new thought: will any +agi players, at time of conversion, be permitted to swap out for +PA?
mister__joshua



Joined: Jun 20, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 18:51
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Nelphine wrote:
A new thought: will any +agi players, at time of conversion, be permitted to swap out for +PA?


I imagine so. I’m not sure any will want to.

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Mattius



Joined: Sep 03, 2006

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 20:58 Reply with quote Back to top

Verminardo wrote:
This rules set is really terrible for Chaos isn't it?


Perhaps a return of all beastman min max teams?
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 21:01 Reply with quote Back to top

Minmax beastman teams worked due to CRP cpomb, now they would not have the same damage potential.
Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 23:22 Reply with quote Back to top

yeah my specific question about Agi is because Shindahl is a throwing skink, and without the +Agi helping that... i can't really do the thing that Shindahl became a legend doing.

But it then extended also into what would happen with Agi 6 players? (Which then also leads to, what will happen with MA 10 players?)
Verminardo



Joined: Sep 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 23:32 Reply with quote Back to top

AG 1+ seems to be a thing. MA10 though... retire? xD
mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 23:52 Reply with quote Back to top

mister__joshua wrote:
Nelphine wrote:
A new thought: will any +agi players, at time of conversion, be permitted to swap out for +PA?


I imagine so. I’m not sure any will want to.


Possibly an AG5 Thrower will. If they got there from AG3, keep one +AG for the surehanded pickup on a 2+. Convert the other into +PA.

If they got there from AG4, turn it into +PA.

My question is what to do with Strong Arm on Throwers...like...convert to a passing skill or leave as Strength Skill?
Malmir



Joined: May 20, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 16, 2020 - 00:00 Reply with quote Back to top

Balle2000 wrote:
thoralf wrote:
That'd be a shame to lose And III. He has quite a personality.

Exactly. It won't affect the people naming their teams "Places I've heard of", and similar rubbish.


I'm loving that you chose 'Places I've Heard Of' given it was named purely for Thoralf's pleasure/irritation. At some point Thoralf (ideally about six months ago) you should probably just let this go. I have loads of teams with cool names. Given the team in question (Gift Of The Gab) is based on the most used words in the English language, it would be a bit odd to not use the most used words in the English language. 'Douchebag' might sound like a really cool name but how many times do you say it (not hear it) in one day?
mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Aug 16, 2020 - 00:02 Reply with quote Back to top

If you're sweet to Thoralf he won't question one's insipid categorical objects schema with roman numerals...to one's face Wink
Rawlf



Joined: Jul 15, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 16, 2020 - 00:24 Reply with quote Back to top

Wow, that's a lot. Super interesting blog, Christer, making your thoughts transparent is very much appreciated and seeing how motivated and positive you are about this huge overhaul is just great.

I LOVE to hear R and B will be joined again! As far as I am concerned, it might as well be done completely - play on GF or through box however you like, fine by me and probably the majority of coaches beyond MattDakka. Although the Trophy needs a distinction, too.

How about this: whenever a team starts a new season, it gets a black flag that it loses as soon as it plays a game through gamefinder. W/d/l, TD and CAS stats of a team are tracked and presented on the team page by season, marking those with a black flag where it was kept until the seasons end.

The other big thing for me is the seasons rule ofc. It is a shame that the game designers did not even try to balance out the growth through playing (spp, gold) with the setbacks through playing (attrition). Great, now we are forced to use the mending rule (seasons).

And while the seasons rule looks absolutely sensible to me for a league with - well - seasons, it is completely alien to the perpetual nature of R and B. It just doent feel like it fits.
Christers idea to link a season to each team individually seems logical, since what else can you use? But it still feels like a huge stretch, as these individual seasons seem like a completely different thing than laegue seasons to me. It still feels off.
The best thing I heard yet is mister__joshua's idea, posted on page 28, where every team may only play one competitive season per 'major season', which would be like a 2 months real time span, after which everybody redrafts. It certainly has its own downsides, but it is the first time I felt like it fits. It would be the same season for all, I think that is important.
Malmir



Joined: May 20, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 16, 2020 - 00:29 Reply with quote Back to top

mrt1212 wrote:
If you're sweet to Thoralf he won't question one's insipid categorical objects schema with roman numerals...to one's face Wink


I think you missed my point...
thoralf



Joined: Mar 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 16, 2020 - 02:54 Reply with quote Back to top

Malmir wrote:
I have loads of teams with cool names.


They're still thematic placeholders with skills, and thematic placeholders with skills can be replaced from one season to the next without any sweat. Increment the number. You're done.

Which was my point all along.

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mrt1212 wrote:
If you're sweet to Thoralf


He'll slide into your DMs with sweet nothings that he won't publish here.

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Doofr



Joined: Nov 04, 2015

Post   Posted: Aug 16, 2020 - 03:13 Reply with quote Back to top

So no more high tv bloodbowl except in leagues ? Surprised

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Dynamix



Joined: Jan 21, 2009

Post   Posted: Aug 16, 2020 - 08:00 Reply with quote Back to top

Less skills / lower TV upside is I may be able to keep track of the skill-ups on the field, tagging gets a nightmare with multiple skill-ups
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