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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 12:05 Reply with quote Back to top

Hello, please, is it possible to know the meaning of the abbreviations on top of Coach Rating page: https://fumbbl.com/p/coaches?start=0 ?


r' = ?

RD' = Rating Deviation, I guess

σ' = ?

CR = current CR

I'm not sure about r', RD' and σ'.


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Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 12:09 Reply with quote Back to top

r= rating

rd= rating deviation

not sure about σ

also which page are you referring to?

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 12:12 Reply with quote Back to top

What is the difference between r' and CR? I mean, both are ratings.

I talk about this page: https://fumbbl.com/p/coaches?start=0
Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 12:17 Reply with quote Back to top

hmm sorry not sure.
σ will be standard deviation I guess.

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Christer



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 13:18
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There's a link to a description on the header of the coaches page (question mark, next to Ranking). It doesn't fully explain the system, but contains the implementation details and a reference to the original paper that describes the system.

It's not light reading by any means, but all the variables are explained in detail through there.

The σ' is what the Glicko paper calls "volatility", which is related to standard deviation, but not exactly the same.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 14:03 Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks!
DoctorMidnight



Joined: Jul 07, 2022

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 21:52 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi gentlemen,

I probably missed something....

Here's my Amazons' black box rating: 7/1/1 // WR : 83% // CR...... 1499 (!)
I guess 1500 is the starting calculation basis, so.... is it a bug? or is the CR calculation über-punishing?

Thanks in advance for your answer(s)!
Rawlf



Joined: Jul 15, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 21:55 Reply with quote Back to top

The rating starts at 1500, but the rating deviation gets subtracted from it. This starts at 150, so starting CR is 1350. Think this is alright as I understand it.
DoctorMidnight



Joined: Jul 07, 2022

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 22:04 Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the input, Rawlf.
Your guess about the deviation rate makes sense.
DoctorMidnight



Joined: Jul 07, 2022

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 22:49 Reply with quote Back to top

Anyway, I find it quite punishing.

For example, my last game, VS Jinamero82
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&id=4430822

I won 1-0.
I got +9 (cool!), and my opponent lost... 17 points. A tough drop, despite our quite close CRs (1748 vs 1787).

Imagine a loss (or even a draw) against a vet' - hours of victories in the Box destroyed in one single devastating game...
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: May 17, 2023 - 14:57 Reply with quote Back to top

How about having the Ranking page default to Black Box ranking instead of glorifying seemingly horrendous noob bashing.

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Sp00keh



Joined: Dec 06, 2011

Post   Posted: May 17, 2023 - 15:04 Reply with quote Back to top

[citation needed]
Rawlf



Joined: Jul 15, 2007

Post   Posted: May 17, 2023 - 15:08 Reply with quote Back to top

What do you mean with instead?
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: May 17, 2023 - 15:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Sp00keh wrote:
[citation needed]


That wouldn't be legal. Very Happy

Rawlf wrote:
What do you mean with instead?


Well, if you activate for the Box there is at least a chance that you could draw MattDakka. Unless of course, you are MattDakka.

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Rawlf



Joined: Jul 15, 2007

Post   Posted: May 17, 2023 - 15:41 Reply with quote Back to top

Or you know what you are doing. Smallmaning works much better in box than in open. But you know that.
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