SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Jan 15, 2008 - 17:29 |
 
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TS is excellent for determining how "hard" a game will be. It has a huge advantage over CR in that the benchmark can bet set and needs no changing according to team or coach.
I'm definately in favour of making TS differences count towards points. Something like: add the TS difference divided by 4 to the points total for a game would seem like its about right. Otherwise a simple +5 points for playing against a stronger team could work.
For those who don't know (i.e. nearly everyone) I started a team for this season but didn't apply to the group before playing any games so I couldn't join. I figured that it dosent really matter since I can do all the scoring manually and if I play in spirit it is pretty much the same as being a member of the group. Anyway...
I was motivated by seeing a particular ELF coach do the Synnful Sprint but with some TS differences that I considered distasteful, not serious but not challenging looking. I had a brief argument with Synn about whether it was good or not with no real conclusion other than that I should try out the sprint and ELF for myself (my conclusion, he didn't say that).
Dead But Don't Know It have been fighting the Synnful Sprint and what I've now discovered is the Mad Trial (I assume that this means no games played vs a lower TS, not just no games reported vs a lower TS) for what would seem to be a Silly Combination. So, the results:
Cat A = 63 *2
vs Chaos Dwarfs = 35 points (concession)
vs Khemri = 28
Cat B = 63
vs Ogre =35
vs Chaos =28
Cat C = 56
vs Human = 21
vs Nurgle = 35
Cat D = 0
no elves yet, only 14 games of sprint played
Cat E = 58
vs Lizard = 37
vs Necro = 21
Total =303
Is that good? |
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pizzamogul
Joined: Jun 13, 2005
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Jan 16, 2008 - 04:22 |
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E.L.F. Season XV Final Standings.
101 active teams altogether in Season XV with 33 of them Wood Elves.
Your E.L.F. Grand Champion Season XV is Synnful Sprinting Spirits finishing with a record 571 points for the Wood Elves.
This also earns them the coveted Order of the Oak, awarded to this Wood Elf team for winning the overall title in Season XV!
In second place is Glory Daze with 471 points for the Pro Elves.
And finishing in 3rd place is Blissfully Intrepid with 466 points for the Wood Elves.
Phasers Set To Fabulous ended up as the highest scoring Dark Elf team in 10th place with 387 points. And the highest scoring High Elf team ended up being Gemini Syndrome with 383 points in 11th place.
At the end a single team in the 500’s, 7 in the 400’s, 14 teams with scores in the 300’s, 20 more above 200 and another 22 past the century mark.
Blissfully Intrepid took home category C for the Wood Elves.
And Synnful Sprinting Spirits owned the other four categories for the Wood Elves also – a clean sweep by one race!
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This also awards all five Orders of the Elm, bestowed upon any Wood Elf team to win a category, for Season XV!
Before the end, two more Wood Elf teams grabbed their places at the table: Herb and Stand Free. Both earn a seat in the Order of the Ash – awarded to any Wood Elf team that completed the cycle in this Season XV.
The standings are as follow:
(* denotes a completed cycle)
Scores
1 Synnful Sprinting Spirits - 571*
2 Glory Daze - 471*
3 Blissfully Intrepid - 466*
4 Hawkheim Harlequins - 459*
5 Power and Glory - 456*
6 Weebl Stuffers - 450*
7 Popes of Mope - 437*
8 Lightning Leapers ELF - 410*
9 Commedic Artists - 388*
10 Phasers Set To Fabulous - 387*
11 Gemini Syndrome - 383
12 Team Fredrick III - 382*
13 Samovar Sinensis - 372*
14 Filipinas - 371*
15 Folsom Prison Blues - 352*
16 Magitek Resistance Brigade - 348*
17 Epping Forest Guardians - 342*
18 Darth Elfs - 339*
19 Herb - 336*
20 Occidentals - 327*
21 Beginging - 320*
22 Pro Elf and I Vote! - 302*
23 Qvickfote Ballpassers - 299*
24 Screaming Mind Burgers - 298
25 Stand Free - 296*
26 Ministry of Violence - 295
27 Undershadow Warriors - 293*
28 Weapons - 280*
29 Stony Man Doctrine - 276
30 Voting is For Sissies - 264
31 Philosophers Rocking Chair - 262*
32 Liverpool Scousers - 259
33 Forest Fools - 257
34 FarBehindAnyExpectations - 255
35 Eataine Sea Guard - 255
36 MIst Guardians - 232
37 Special Comments - 230
38 Flora Danica - 223
39 Woodland Focus - 222
40 Elisabeth The Golden Age - 207
41 White Isle Idlers Alpha Turbo - 205
42 Soul Caliburs II - 202
43 For the Grace of Wood D.M.U - 192
44 Champions Of Maurescmo - 185
45 Anares Dragons - 184
46 Txungos - 179
47 woodland fawns - 178*
48 Westwood Reserves - 176
49 Blacky - 174
50 Plorg's Elves - 172
51 Ronin Eagles - 166
52 Biunfeya - 160
53 Ninja Rap - 151
54 Arborial Avengers - 147
55 Ellyrion Cardinals - 145
56 All American BenchWarmer - 145
57 Underdark Nightmares - 137
58 Bramble Rose - 133
59 Baño de Sangre - 131
60 -Xylotheque- - 123
61 Classically Trained Actors - 122
62 Nandorouts - 122
63 Arwen Wildcats - 114
64 Carminos - 100
65 A Little Gaulish Village - 99
66 Planet Terror - 98
67 Cotton Mouths - 94
68 Wood Rockers - 86
69 Thorstien Thunderers - 82
70 Horrible Slaughter - 79
71 Santa and his Helpers - 69
72 Traujin Pro's - 63
73 Oak Blasters - 61
74 Drones Club - 60
75 To Heir is Elven - 59
76 Fruit Loops - 59
77 KB - 58
78 Anahira, Dark Feathers - 56
79 Shining Force Alpha Turbo - 54
80 Tor Anroc Talons - 48
81 Idolen's Woodies - 45
82 Evil Clowns - 42
83 BBA HagCrag BlackPink Panthers - 41
84 Mothers of Invention! - 38
85 White Kings - 37
86 Druuchi Darkies - 31
87 Everything Fails - 28
88 Power Rangers Fumbbl Force - 24
89 Dark Crag Executioners - 24
90 Lords Of Purple - 21
91 Slik-Butikken - 19
92 LichtAus - 17
93 Eataine Ithiltaens - 17
94 Mirkwood Beavers - 15
95 Azur Dragons - 12
96 Stinging Cherries - 10
97 Kjoebenhavns Boldklub - 10
98 Run Elfboy Run - 8
99 Painful Realizations - 8
100 Even Silence Speaks - 8
101 Z-listers - 4
Categories
A Synnful Sprinting Spirits (Wood Elf) - 190
B Synnful Sprinting Spirits (Wood Elf) - 100
C Blissfully Intrepid (Wood Elf) - 89
D Synnful Sprinting Spirits (Wood Elf) - 93
E Synnful Sprinting Spirits (Wood Elf) - 102
No one could catch Synnful Sprinting Spirits! In the race to earn a seat in the Order of the Willow – granted to the Wood Elf team scoring the most TDs in season XV – the final standings were as follows:
1 Synnful Sprinting Spirits – 56
2 Lightning Leapers ELF – 48
(3) Blissfully Intrepid - 46
3 Samovar Sinensis - 36
4 Commedic Artists - 32
5 Epping Forest Guardians - 32
6 Occidentals - 30
7 Herb - 28
8 Forest Fools - 28
9 Beginging - 27
10 FarBehindAnyExpectations - 26
11 Qvickfote Ballpassers - 25
12 MIst Guardians - 23
13 Liverpool Scousers - 22
14 Woodland Focus - 22
15 Txungos - 22
16 For the Grace of Wood D.M.U - 21
17 Stand Free - 21
18 Flora Danica - 20
19 woodland fawns - 17
20 Ninja Rap - 16
21 White Isle Idlers Alpha Turbo - 15
22 Weapons - 14
23 Westwood Reserves - 14
24 Arborial Avengers - 14
25 Arwen Wildcats - 14
26 All American BenchWarmer - 8
27 -Xylotheque- - 8
28 Wood Rockers - 7
29 Oak Blasters - 7
30 Anahira, Dark Feathers - 7
31 Idolen's Woodies - 3
32 Mirkwood Beavers - 2
33 Even Silence Speaks – 2
Thank you all for another great tournament. Look for Season XVI coming in a couple weeks! |
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MadTias
Joined: Jun 19, 2004
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Jan 16, 2008 - 08:32 |
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Hey pizzamogul. Since you posted the final score, you probably noticed the argument in the thread about ELF not filling its design purpose. Sorry to see that you didn't post your opinion on that.  I would really appreciate to hear it, even if it's just "don't care, more playing, less whining". Thx again for running a great group. |
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eyeslikethunder
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 16, 2008 - 08:47 |
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I like Nins suggestions they have nice balance especially the tournament bonus for winning
but i think sillysod's TS difference divided by 4 system is seems best as if we set a level(s) on ts certain people will just play within them where this nicely works for all and is more accurate
I do love this group thx for all the work pizzamogul |
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clarkin
Joined: Oct 15, 2007
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Jan 16, 2008 - 12:05 |
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nice work on running ELF- looking forward to giving it a go with a rookie elf team next season!
Having read through this I totally agree about giving bonus points for challenging up in TS, and also an increase in the bonus for tournament games is in order (since matchups are random - a proper challenge!) |
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Tophat
Joined: Jun 01, 2006
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Jan 17, 2008 - 15:22 |
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Hehe just noticed i got second ... I thought I was too late to join this season , so quite shocked to see not only entered but did well . |
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pizzamogul
Joined: Jun 13, 2005
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Jan 17, 2008 - 15:53 |
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| MadTias wrote: | | Hey pizzamogul. Since you posted the final score, you probably noticed the argument in the thread about ELF not filling its design purpose. Sorry to see that you didn't post your opinion on that. I would really appreciate to hear it, even if it's just "don't care, more playing, less whining". Thx again for running a great group. |
Now that this season is over, I'm thinking about the possibility of making some modifications. In order to make any changes, I will need to have Rijssiej alter the scoring program (and I don't know if he has the time/desire to do so) or go back to a manual scoring thread. I'll post a new thread specifically for the discussion/debate in a few days when I'm done brainstorming. |
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clarkin
Joined: Oct 15, 2007
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Jan 17, 2008 - 18:06 |
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pizzamogul: what language is the scoring program written in? |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Jan 17, 2008 - 19:29 |
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I'm not pizzamogul but I'm 99% certain its java. |
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clarkin
Joined: Oct 15, 2007
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Jan 17, 2008 - 19:33 |
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well given the source i'm 90% certain I could modify it if Rijssiej doesn't have time, PM me if you want that. |
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clarkin
Joined: Oct 15, 2007
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Jan 18, 2008 - 00:17 |
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Was talking to Rijssiej on IRC - he's sent me the source to the score calculator. I'll see if I am able to tweak it this weekend. Start thinking about what changes you might want to try in the new season and we can run them on the last season's results and see what differences they would make |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Jan 18, 2008 - 03:07 |
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My guess is that Synnful Sprinting Spirits will go down in the score a bit, if not the ranking. |
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Putting the "eh?" back into Sexeh.
"There are those to whom knowledge is a shield. There are those to whom it is a weapon. Neither view is balanced." |
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MadTias
Joined: Jun 19, 2004
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Jan 18, 2008 - 15:57 |
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| pizzamogul wrote: | | Now that this season is over, I'm thinking about the possibility of making some modifications. I'll post a new thread specifically for the discussion/debate in a few days when I'm done brainstorming. |
Supersweet!  I'll keep an eye open for that then. |
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Arctaeus
Joined: Dec 04, 2007
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Jan 18, 2008 - 16:08 |
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I might even try this, if i understand how it all works.
I'll read it tonight when im back from work |
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clarkin
Joined: Oct 15, 2007
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Jan 18, 2008 - 17:50 |
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It's basically: Play your elf team (old or new doesn't matter) vs a variety of opponents (including nasty dwarveses) and see how you do.
Ie the opposite of elfballing where you only play non-bashy teams to keep your preciouss elveses safe(ish) |
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