licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Apr 18, 2016 - 19:48 |
 
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I admit I never tried, but when you get a perfect defense can you move players from your bench onto the pitch (in an exchange, not to go beyond 11)?
The rule book says:
| Quote: | | Perfect Defense: The kicking team's coach may reorganize his players -in other words he can set them up again into another legal defense. The receiving team must remain in the set-up chosen by their coach. |
I don't have an opinion on the interpretation I was just seeking clarification. |
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fidius
Joined: Jun 17, 2011
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Apr 18, 2016 - 20:17 |
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Dominik
Joined: Oct 29, 2004
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Apr 18, 2016 - 20:29 |
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I did exchange some players once. |
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JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Apr 18, 2016 - 20:51 |
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Why would you want to? I'm not sure I can think of a situation where a PD would affect the player choice for the drive. For me, it usually just means shifting some players on the line to avoid MB/PO/tackle hits and perhaps 'rebalancing', if my oppo is going heavy on one side. |
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tmoila
Joined: Nov 25, 2012
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Apr 18, 2016 - 20:56 |
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| JellyBelly wrote: | | Why would you want to? I'm not sure I can think of a situation where a PD would affect the player choice for the drive. For me, it usually just means shifting some players on the line to avoid MB/PO/tackle hits and perhaps 'rebalancing', if my oppo is going heavy on one side. |
Get kicker out of the field for example. |
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radge
Joined: Nov 20, 2012
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Apr 18, 2016 - 20:58 |
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I've changed players a couple of times. Brilliant if I've got a kicker - I use his skill when kicking, and then I can sub him for a player who will be more useful for me during the actual drive. |
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Bazakastine
Joined: Mar 21, 2014
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Apr 18, 2016 - 20:59 |
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| JellyBelly wrote: | | Why would you want to? I'm not sure I can think of a situation where a PD would affect the player choice for the drive. For me, it usually just means shifting some players on the line to avoid MB/PO/tackle hits and perhaps 'rebalancing', if my oppo is going heavy on one side. |
Maybe bringing a fast offense only player on to the pitch if the kick is an a position you think you can make a play on it. That's the only one I got. |
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keggiemckill
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
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Apr 18, 2016 - 21:26 |
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My perfect defence is one that keeps my opponent from scoring. |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Apr 18, 2016 - 22:01 |
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The 'why would you want to' is a legitimate question, but I can also see some odd cases where you would swap out a player (kicker yes, one turner since you can reset your defense to make sure he's protected, ...).
I had just never even thought about trying to do it, but the rulebook doesn't seem to prohibit it, my question is more along the lines of if the client allows it. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Apr 18, 2016 - 22:14 |
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I am about 60 % sure (so, not sure) I once got 'done' by someone forgetting to field an important player, rolling PD, remembering he existed and putting him onto the pitch. A Lino with a skill that ended up beating me rather than a rookie, that sort of thing. Solving a missclick.
Ski's client? The current one? Made up? Can't remember. You shouldn't be able to field players from the bench, as linked above. |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Apr 18, 2016 - 22:27 |
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So we have lots of 'I've done it, seen it done.'
And a 2009 post from Galak saying it's not meant to be legal.
Is this worth a nod in bugs? |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Apr 18, 2016 - 22:35 |
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Yes, so long as someone tests it in the current client and can recreate the conditions of the bug. Let's make sure it's Kalimar's client first, and not something we half remember from Ski's? |
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tmoila
Joined: Nov 25, 2012
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Apr 18, 2016 - 23:39 |
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Well you can definetly sub players in current Kalimar client. Done that and I don't see anything wrong considering how it is written in the CRP.
If some random editor of rules from ages past says something something in TFF about CRP rules implementation, I don't consider it errata of any kind. |
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licker
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
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Apr 18, 2016 - 23:56 |
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| tmoila wrote: | Well you can definetly sub players in current Kalimar client. Done that and I don't see anything wrong considering how it is written in the CRP.
If some random editor of rules from ages past says something something in TFF about CRP rules implementation, I don't consider it errata of any kind. |
That's a fair point (and this an incredibly minor issue...).
Not sure how anyone would go about getting actual clarification on it, but it might be interesting to see how other sites/organizations interpret it. |
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fidius
Joined: Jun 17, 2011
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Apr 19, 2016 - 00:55 |
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| licker wrote: | | Not sure how anyone would go about getting actual clarification on it, but it might be interesting to see how other sites/organizations interpret it. |
Personally I think the CRP wording is unclear, and that any commissioner is well within his rights to go either way on it (if it's ever even a question -- as you say it's an incredibly minor issue).
If I was commissioner I wouldn't allow subs, and would add that kickers must be re-placed in a legal position to use Kick. Fits the fluff better. Galak seems a bit incoherent in this respect. But the time-travelling nature of PD puts both interpretations on the table imo. |
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