Trekamp
Joined: Dec 15, 2003
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Jun 28, 2004 - 23:41 |
 
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Bruno I hear ya, was just making fun and nonsense, still like that better than ranting:)
Well, I get gkorneckis point, but I think that the fact that you have to sacrifice your blitz action, which IS a big part of this game, IMO weighs up the idea of it as cheating. |
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Unxerxes
Joined: Dec 31, 2003
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Jun 28, 2004 - 23:45 |
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| Quote: | | After all, a pass block action that doesnt affect the pass is illegal |
No it isn't. It's perfectly legit to place a pass-blocker somewhere in the trajectory of the ball for an interception without affecting the pass (or the catch for that matter). On the topic of sacrificing a blitz to move a wild animal, like said before, the WA wants to hit someone or something badly but where does it state that this has to be on the pitch? maybe one of the opposing teams cheerleaders was taunting him or something like that... the fact that he scores is just a fortunate side-effect for the team (not that the WA gives a f*ck about the team, or the td, or aything else for that matter except that bloody cheerleader still standing there when he's all of a sudden surounded by his own team all congratulating him on his brilliant move and herding him back to the centre of the pitch for next kick-off) |
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Mully
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 28, 2004 - 23:49 |
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well on rare occasions I've chosen to blizt and miscalculated assists and wound up with a 1D block rather than a 2D. If it was a crucial time of the game I would just end my move and not hit. I think it's a smart strategym but also remember a similar thread with the old WA that said if you declared a "foul" in order to move you HAD to foul or you were breaking the spirit of the rules.
So in a way, this isn't that much different. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Jun 29, 2004 - 00:37 |
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Well, you lose your blitz, and gain a 5/6 chance of moving. It's a valid tactic, it is perfectly within the rules, and if I ever fint my Rat Ogre with the ball and within 5 squares to the end zone I will use it for sure.  |
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stargzrrag
Joined: Jun 10, 2004
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Jun 29, 2004 - 01:22 |
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| Bruno wrote: | Hey, seems like this turned out to the regular pie tossing contest.
This happen quite a lot here, someone asks a question that is an issue for them. The idea is that you in this thread further discuss this topic, how stupid or brilliant it may be. Yes, of course you are to voice your opinions, even if they are bad, but dont just make stupid posts such as the last ones, sure, a bit fun, but stick to the topic or dont post at all. (Agree)
A lot of good sound discussions has been killed by this behaviour.
And, keeping in that spirit i better post something about the thread now 
gkornecki pointed out a relevant issue, while this is the way it is played it sure does go against the spirit of the rule. After all, a pass block action that doesnt affect the pass is illegal etc. |
I agree that too many times a post is de-railed by unneccesary insults and tangent comments...
However, the LRB describes a blitz as "Blitz: The player may move a number of squares equal to their Movement Allowance. He may make one block during the move. The block may be made at any point
during the move, and ‘costs’ one square of movement.". The key word here is MAY. If I choose to declare a blitz and then not actually throw a block, it is not cheating. That is a legitimate tactic.
Technically by the rules(since you have to roll wild animal to roll over when stunned), you could call blitz on that action. Fumbbl doesn't allow that. Most leagues would probably not allow you to do this also but, accourding to the rules nothing prohibits it. Now THAT is against the spirit of the rules. |
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banana_fish900
Joined: Oct 13, 2003
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Jun 29, 2004 - 02:26 |
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I'm actually on the side of you need to blitz w/ intent to block. It's my understanding that there was a huge outcry during the rules revision about blitz not receiving a bonus (similar to block) because the WA gets to hit something in both cases--which I support fully. The fluff about them going after a cheerleader is more than a stretch. Why look so far away when there's so much fresh meat close to hand? |
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Britnoth
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 29, 2004 - 03:09 |
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| stargzrrag wrote: | | Technically by the rules(since you have to roll wild animal to roll over when stunned), you could call blitz on that action. Fumbbl doesn't allow that. Most leagues would probably not allow you to do this also but, accourding to the rules nothing prohibits it. Now THAT is against the spirit of the rules. |
Wrong. Wild animal now rolls over for free if stunned (making it much better than other big guys again).  |
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thmbscrws
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 29, 2004 - 03:16 |
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| Britnoth wrote: | | stargzrrag wrote: | | Technically by the rules(since you have to roll wild animal to roll over when stunned), you could call blitz on that action. Fumbbl doesn't allow that. Most leagues would probably not allow you to do this also but, accourding to the rules nothing prohibits it. Now THAT is against the spirit of the rules. |
Wrong. Wild animal now rolls over for free if stunned (making it much better than other big guys again). |
I'm sorry but thats just wrong, wild animal is far worse than bonehead or really stupid. Most people will tell you that blitzing with your ogre is normally a move of last resort and having a wild animal pretty much forces you to do just that every turn or else he will just stand around all game. Wild animal has it's ups and downs but i'd still rather have bonehead or even really stupid. |
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ozjesting
Joined: Jan 27, 2004
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Jun 29, 2004 - 03:49 |
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Not sure if I am understanding this correctly...is the concern about choosing Blitz for the Wild Animal when he is in contact with a player and actually DOES blitz then runs off and scores? Because 'just" choosing blitz when a WA is NOT in contact with another player is of no more advantage than choosing to move if I am observing MY Mino correctly. The chance that he will just stand still and roar in rage is the same. Isn't it? |
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Britnoth
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 29, 2004 - 03:56 |
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That is true if all you expect of them is a str 5 player with guard that you can usually move in to give an assist... I try to use a 100k+ player for something more.
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Henrik_H
Joined: Feb 05, 2004
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Jun 29, 2004 - 04:33 |
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It's obviously not cheating. If the rulewriter meant for it to be illegal the rule for blitzing would be different.
(Something along the line of : You must block someone when you make a blitz move or it is an automatic turnover. Note that you can not move inte the endzone on a blitzmove without having made a block during the move.)
Remember. You are not forced to foul on a foul move or forced to pass on a pass move, this is no different.
edit: Corrected a not to a Note. (Horrible typo! Missing that 'e' gave the sentence a completly different meaning) |
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banana_fish900
Joined: Oct 13, 2003
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Jun 29, 2004 - 04:34 |
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| thmbscrws wrote: | | I'm sorry but thats just wrong, wild animal is far worse than bonehead or really stupid. Most people will tell you that blitzing with your ogre is normally a move of last resort and having a wild animal pretty much forces you to do just that every turn or else he will just stand around all game. Wild animal has it's ups and downs but i'd still rather have bonehead or even really stupid. |
I dunno thmbscrws, if you fail your stupid or bonehead roll you lose your TZ, if you fail a WA roll you don't. I don't think WA needs to be any worse than it is (the previous move first rule was just plain awful). I think WA is just about right (especially with the free rollover on stun). |
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stargzrrag
Joined: Jun 10, 2004
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Jun 29, 2004 - 05:46 |
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The LRB I use(http://www.specialist-games.com/bloodbowl/assets/pdf/tlr/LivingRulebook30.pdf) is accurate to the best of my knowledge.
"Wild Animal
Wild Animals are uncontrollable creatures that rarely do exactly what a
coach wants of them. In fact, just about all you can really rely on them
to do is lash out at opposing players that move too close to them! To
represent this, when you declare an action with a Wild Animal, roll a
a D6, adding +2 to the roll if taking a Block or Blitz action. On a roll of
1-3, the Wild Animal stands still and roars in rage instead, and the action
is wasted. Note that the Wild Animal no longer has to move first and
that he can now use assists. Also note that no dice roll is required for
the Wild Animal to turn face-up when stunned. "
So, I misread the roll over rule. I apologize.
However taking a Blitz action does not neccesarily mean you have to throw the block. In a role-playing perspective, you should throw a block. Most often RP'ing gets thrown out the window with the game on the line though. From what I've seen. |
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ozjesting
Joined: Jan 27, 2004
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Jun 29, 2004 - 06:07 |
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From a role playing perspective I would think it is fair to argue that a WA that has chosen Blitz is now a "feared" player. He moves with the intent to cause harm and the other players cringe away from him. The WA is disgusted that they have reacted insuch a manner and moves on..OR you could say that the unstable mindset of a WA is such that he MEANT to blitz but somewhere along the way he got confused and ran into the goal. Either way (and others I haven't outlined) seem to fit quite nicely into the RPG story line and allow the WA to take this Blitz=move action quite fairly. |
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SonofSharkboy
Joined: Feb 04, 2004
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Jun 29, 2004 - 07:01 |
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Maybe they painted the goal posts red and it drove the minotaur into a frenzy of hate so strong he charged headlong into it (and the endzone.) :p |
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