remetagross
Joined: Mar 09, 2023
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Apr 06, 2023 - 10:27 |
 
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If that's doable, filtering out the teams with, say, less than 8 played games should prevent that bias from weighing in. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Apr 06, 2023 - 10:55 |
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Mmmm, but the average number of games played per team is very low. It's probably less than 8 |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Apr 06, 2023 - 11:55 |
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8 games is plenty, whole season in mamy leagues |
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Nelphine
Joined: Apr 01, 2011
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Apr 06, 2023 - 17:37 |
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That doesn't mean its plenty to learn how to play the roster. Many people struggle in their first season. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Apr 06, 2023 - 17:46 |
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Assuming a league scenario with 7-game Season, yes, many teams are not that good in their first Season.
In my experience the early games with Elves of any kind are hard due to lack of skills and rrs.
They start to be playable after 10-15 games. |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Apr 07, 2023 - 07:54 |
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| Nelphine wrote: | | That doesn't mean its plenty to learn how to play the roster. Many people struggle in their first season. |
Yes but if stats from teams that have under 8 games didnt count it wouldnt mean thats its just for players that are new to the team. I for one have under 8 games on almost all of my teams.
Do get your point, but I still stand on my argument that in 8 games any team is as playable as older team.
Ofcourse older teams are better for TV but thats not the point of tiers or stats, no ? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Apr 07, 2023 - 10:04 |
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Nelphine
Joined: Apr 01, 2011
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Apr 22, 2023 - 00:49 |
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Updated based on current stats - snotlings moved up to 0.75, and pact made it up to 2.5! |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Apr 22, 2023 - 19:18 |
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| Nelphine wrote: | my proposed tiers based on C stats:
tier 3.5 (below 39%): goblin, vampire
Comments and jeers welcomed! |
I am learning about goblins . I understand this 3.5 comes from statistics (is not a qualitative judgment) and perhaps linked to the really limited number of coaches choosing them (along with the Vampires) because they are objectively complex
I can't say much yet because I've only played 12 games but some key points
1) it is true that in Box the win rate decreases, but not as I expected (I still have an honorable 50% out of 5 games played maybe I was just luck)
2) I find that goblins perform much better at low TV. When you start getting skills the gap with other teams is felt much more. For example I have a ball carrier with Sure Hands that causes me 40k bloat and I feel it a lot. Maybe 3 rr without SH would be enough to manage ball carrierring I don't know...I will think about it next time I use them in Box
Anyway in my opinion they can be an acceptable choice for BT (not sure on RRR)
3) Management of players with secret weapons is the key to everything. And also the ability to buy a bribe (see point 2)
4) You always have to try everything with gobbos!
| Nelphine wrote: | my proposed tiers based on C stats:
tier 0.75 (54-56%): skaven, snotling, human, chaos dwarf
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If you play snotlings at TV 400 in a tournament or in CherryPick ( and find someone who takes the bait) ok the win rate statistically is high (look the RRR statistics before the Starplayer's ban)
But try to play Snotlings with 2 troll and 2 pump wagon at normal TV in Box: good luck in the second half.
On humans as well: to me they are a very versatile team, they can be very annoying (for your opponent). But I played them for 15 games and I think they are very complex to use. They can give great results (see Malmir in the BBT) but they are very difficult to handle. For me they are at least tier 1.5 |
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spelledaren
Joined: Mar 06, 2004
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Apr 22, 2023 - 21:34 |
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Just counterpoint here:
I did run BBT snotlings with 2 trolls and 2 wagons, and second half was often good as I had murdered the other team in first. Highest score I got out of any of my 12 different races. |
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Garion26
Joined: Nov 28, 2021
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Apr 22, 2023 - 22:26 |
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| spelledaren wrote: | Just counterpoint here:
I did run BBT snotlings with 2 trolls and 2 wagons, and second half was often good as I had murdered the other team in first. Highest score I got out of any of my 12 different races. |
Interesting. Bribes and star players?
I can’t quite get my head around snotlings but i never tried Morglings. |
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spelledaren
Joined: Mar 06, 2004
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Apr 23, 2023 - 00:26 |
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Hum. Stats says average TW diff was -5k, but doesnt account for low cost linemen it seems.
Bomber in maybe 5 games, bribes and rookies in another 5 maybe, and about 5 I was the overdog. |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Apr 23, 2023 - 11:00 |
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| spelledaren wrote: | Just counterpoint here:
I did run BBT snotlings with 2 trolls and 2 wagons, and second half was often good as I had murdered the other team in first. Highest score I got out of any of my 12 different races. |
If this is the team and you played most of games in BBT I had to take back my statement
https://fumbbl.com/p/team?team_id=1114523
Superb win rate !
Congratulation |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Apr 23, 2023 - 13:20 |
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RDaneel
Joined: Feb 24, 2023
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Apr 23, 2023 - 13:43 |
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You convinced me to make a new snots team!  |
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