BadMrMojo
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 09, 2005 - 01:42 |
 
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Ok. The puppies part was just dramatic license. 
The suggestion that a team can only play for a long time by picking "soft" opponents is, in my ever-so-humble opinion, false. The implied suggestion that everyone should play for long-term development by playing only against soft opponents is, similarly, a losing proposition.
Now here's the thing. People have a right to play that way if they want. I think it stunts one's growth as a player, but that's not my decision to make. 6' has every right to pick what matches he wants to play against in the open league. To paraphrase an old saying, I may not agree with his approach but I'll certainly defend his right to it. If he wants to promote that approach, however, I'll express my opinion as well in order to give people both sides.
I believe that selecting only advantageous matchups (whatever criteria you want to use and however you define advantageous) is contrary to the whole point of the league and the primary cause of most of the complaining that goes on here. I'd like to see it stop. I can't stop people, so I'll just play the way I like and occasionally try to convince people that it's a swell notion, as is the case here. The simple fact that cherrypicking your way through R was presented as a serious option in place of tactical advice is somewhat sad, in my opinion, and is the cause behind some of the vitriol the TBB crew and other coaches seem to feel against FUMBBL, for example.
Did that get the point across a bit better, mith? |
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Mithrilpoint
Joined: Mar 16, 2004
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Apr 09, 2005 - 02:29 |
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Heh..I just knew that you were online and lurking the forums  .
Yes..id certainly did get the point across. But i disagree with that point. But I would defend your right to feel otherwise even better than you would defend someone else´s right to...well you get the picture. Respect for opinins and stuff.
I think that if everyone always tried to get the most beneficial match for their team it would result in the better coach winning the (few?) matches being played. Because if both players viewed their chances as best then the coach with the better comprehension of the actual matchup would win. (Assuming equal dice). Does this make any sense to anyone but me?
But, of course, I´m assuming that people play games to win. Like any other game. Maybe thats why i don´t understand why people make an (for example) all-thrall team and actually try to compete .
So i guess we´re not gonna agree on this one.
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BadMrMojo
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 09, 2005 - 03:39 |
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| Mithrilpoint wrote: | | So i guess we´re not gonna agree on this one. |
Yeah. But, fortunately, we've both just said that we're cool with that.
| Quote: | | Because if both players viewed their chances as best then the coach with the better comprehension of the actual matchup would win. (Assuming equal dice). Does this make any sense to anyone but me? |
It does make sense. I, personally, just don't like the idea that selecting which game to play is a coaching skill. I like to think that coaching skills are limited to the on-board and team development (ie: skills, purchases and retirement) decisions.
In an attempt to cunningly return everyone back to on-topic discussion, I'd just add that I've got far more respect for a winning team (and the coach) which never crosses 200 TR because it keeps getting beat down than for a team which picks up 4 legends in its first 30 games because it played nothing but easy matches. An extreme example, perhaps, but it gets the point across. |
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Adar
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 11, 2005 - 10:28 |
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"Start cherrypicking" -I actually likes that kind of advice, it makes me feel brave and hardcore for not doing it .
Ah well I guess this means that I'll just keep doing what I am doing, buy a thrower and then start loading up on gutter runners. |
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The_Mighty_Ren
Joined: Oct 12, 2004
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May 27, 2005 - 04:03 |
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The E.L.F. is killing me.
Including my 4 self-inflicted snake-eyes casualties, I'm 10/11/9 after 12 games (5/5/5 in the last 4, 2/4/4 in the last 3).
Av 8 damnit.
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trialbyfire
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
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May 27, 2005 - 05:02 |
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Melonhead
Joined: Feb 16, 2005
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May 27, 2005 - 05:15 |
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Lol...play only elves. What great advice. Cherrypicker! |
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bogh
Joined: Oct 31, 2004
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May 27, 2005 - 11:38 |
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Pfft. Cherrypicking this and cherrypicking that.
I am no stranger to playing amazons vs. dwarfs, but it is just not rational. I may do it, but I cannot for the life of me see how it makes sense.
BMM, you accept that people play rationally on the field and in team development, trying to get as many wins as possible. How can you possibly think that rationality has no place in picking your games? Challenge - yeah, sure. I like challenges, I like to test my teams - but there is a weird disjunction between on pitch and off pitch. Would you ever make it harder for yourself on pitch (by not using your best players or by giving the ball to your opponent when you are one ahead)? No. You wouldn't. Because on the pitch it is all about winning the game. How can the same attitude be considered bad in the choice of games? Cherrypicking is a word that gets tossed around way to much here and the approach to the game seems illogical.
Summary: Games like these are a test of tactics and rationality. Whoever is best at calculating odds and seeing when risks are worth taking will usually win. This goes on the pitch and off the pitch. That thinking rationally is considered a "faux pas" off the pitch seems hypocritical to me. |
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calon
Joined: Oct 03, 2003
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May 27, 2005 - 12:00 |
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Croke
Joined: Apr 17, 2005
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Jul 25, 2005 - 19:48 |
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Macavity
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
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Jul 25, 2005 - 20:16 |
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Holy thread revival, Batman! |
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CorporateSlave3
Joined: Feb 07, 2004
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Jul 25, 2005 - 20:38 |
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Hmm...of course, we'll all be much more impressed when that string of opposing races is maintained at TR 200-250, where survivial really starts to get tough... |
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AlcingRagaholic
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jul 25, 2005 - 21:49 |
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Pfft... play only elves? Where's the fun in that?
Besides, I would if they played my poor rats for once, they always run away. I don't see why they are so scared, I don't have any Gutters to outspeed them... and hardly any bashy skills.
See, if you think playing a particular race will help you in survival mode, you are sadly mistaken. I probably received the worst casualties ever from an elf team, and meanwhile, inflicted the most on an undead team.
Play around the block, and you'll get better at staying afloat. And remember... even cheap players get good.
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Darkwolf
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jul 25, 2005 - 22:55 |
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Cant agree more alcing. Even with my dwarf team, I get beat up at times and watch my lb's fly into the cas box. Variety is the spice of life and teaches u how to adapt to different skills/opponents. |
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Croke
Joined: Apr 17, 2005
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Jul 26, 2005 - 10:57 |
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| CorporateSlave3 wrote: |
Hmm...of course, we'll all be much more impressed when that string of opposing races is maintained at TR 200-250, where survivial really starts to get tough... |
Well I'll try to do the same thing by then, just dodge dodge dodge, they can't do a cas per turn, right?  I hope so |
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