Hammerhiem
Joined: Sep 07, 2004
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Aug 05, 2005 - 22:32 |
 
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i think that's the core of it. people seem to think it is personal when you crowd-push. people, when i foul your wardancer, i'm not saying "you're an idiot and i hate you". i'm just playing a frigging game.
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Ahh but the point is some people enjoy destoying peoples team just because they can, that too me is personal. i don't mean playing to win, i mean deliberately going about systematicly destoying a team not so it's easier to beat the opponent but because you can.
If you go out of your way to remove someones enjoyment, then you take it to a personal level, and for me thats just about the worst thing you can do to a person on Fumbbl. |
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Hammerhiem
Joined: Sep 07, 2004
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Aug 05, 2005 - 22:36 |
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Big mac unless you're being sarcastic, you seriously need to get a life.
I enjoy playing people who are willing to allow me to enjoy the game aswell as themselves. If you are so selfish that my enjoyment is not a consideration then i am glad i will never meet you in real life. |
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arghh bumflaps , another fumble. Why can't these Gobbo's just pick the ball up? |
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DreadClaw
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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Aug 05, 2005 - 22:38 |
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| Hammerhiem wrote: | Big mac unless you're being sarcastic, you seriously need to get a life.
I enjoy playing people who are willing to allow me to enjoy the game aswell as themselves. If you are so selfish that my enjoyment is not a consideration then i am glad i will never meet you in real life. |
can you judge a person on a forum post? Wow.. i should meet women on forums then! Seriously, if you were to meet a person it's probably a lot different than one lousy forum post..
Anyhow, after reading your forum post.. hammerhiem... will you marry me? (no particular reason, just judging you for being a hot rich guy..or woman..or it.. as long as your rich! |
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BigMac
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
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Aug 05, 2005 - 22:46 |
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| Hammerhiem wrote: | | Big mac unless you're being sarcastic, you seriously need to get a life. |
I am dead serious.
Its disgusting to appologize for killing a player in blood bowl.
You have to party when you kill and hurt people. I have an article for you that explains the basics of this game... http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/cyclon.pdf
“Inflicting pain isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”
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MrMojo
Joined: Apr 17, 2004
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Aug 05, 2005 - 22:52 |
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| BigMac wrote: | “Inflicting pain isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”
Hubris Rakarth |
Amen to that, brother big mac and large fries with diet coke, please. |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Aug 05, 2005 - 23:20 |
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I actually think it IS bad sportsmanship when you crowdpush or foul the hell out of a team or both when it`s already unable to put up resistance to your win. I mean comeon... you beaten this guy and his team. You have the win, you have already damaged his team, so what is the reason for you to step over the line and try to make sure that all the effort he has put into this team is wasted?
If he has been rude/angry/slow or has just behaved like an ass - OK. Go ahead and try to teach him a lesson (I actually did an T16 foul against buskos killer-chaos though I was winning for sure just to kill another claw/RSC-guy). But if he has been a nice average guy - leave with a team he can use to play another match with.
The same goes when you have lost the game. I mean what is the reason to foul his best players, when its already T5 2nd half and he leads 3-0 (this is NOT hinted at Albator2001). Admit, that he beat you. Maybe you can mutter something about being raped by the dice, but when you try to kill his best players just that he doesn`t enjoy his win, then you are simply a sore whiny loser, who isn`t man enough to take it.
This whole "Mr. Blackorc wants to smash your skull"-talk is just crap and those guys should be reminded of it, when the go and dodge with their orc or take +AG on their blitzer over mighty blow - because that`s really unorcish. When you play the game, you give a shit about roleplaying - so don`t use it to justify being an asshole. |
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Rebholz
Joined: Jul 14, 2005
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Aug 05, 2005 - 23:25 |
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I'll tell you all a little secret- in real life stalling is called "clock control", "unnecessary blocking" is how the Patriots beat up on the Rams in Superbowl XXXVI, and throwing the ball away is the BB equivalent of punting. All of these tactics are not just legit, but absolutely necessary to the gameplay of a champion.
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BigMac
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
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Aug 05, 2005 - 23:33 |
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| CircularLogic wrote: | | I actually think it IS bad sportsmanship when you crowdpush or foul the hell out of a team or both when it`s already unable to put up resistance to your win. I mean comeon... you beaten this guy and his team. You have the win, you have already damaged his team, so what is the reason for you to step over the line and try to make sure that all the effort he has put into this team is wasted? |
Sure there are situations when you dominate and its just mot funny anmore. agreed.
But then again if you have the chance to wipe out a chaos or undead team... you propably should do so while you still can ^^ |
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BigMac
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
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Aug 05, 2005 - 23:44 |
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| CircularLogic wrote: | | This whole "Mr. Blackorc wants to smash your skull"-talk is just crap and those guys should be reminded of it, when the go and dodge with their orc or take +AG on their blitzer over mighty blow - because that`s really unorcish. When you play the game, you give a shit about roleplaying - so don`t use it to justify being an asshole. |
Erm. Its more common that the Orc Coach controlls the game, without you having a real chance to break his cage. He plays with control and without taking risks. So even if you try to prevent him from scoring by offering a chance to push one of your guys out, he will rather play concentrated and score to put the game away.
That is every bit as frustrating as getting bashed. In fact its even more frustrating because all the beating you took got you nothing.
So YEAH, beeing fouled in turn 16 but not allowing another touchdown can be your reward for putting up a good fight. |
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Hammerhiem
Joined: Sep 07, 2004
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Aug 05, 2005 - 23:56 |
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can you judge a person on a forum post? Wow.. i should meet women on forums then! Seriously, if you were to meet a person it's probably a lot different than one lousy forum post..
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If thats his attitude to something that doesn't matter (as he keeps telling us) what would his attitude be when something is important to him.
In my experiance the way people approach thier hobbies tells alot about that person, the way they think and the way they consider those around them.
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Its more common that the Orc Coach controlls the game, without you having a real chance to break his cage. He plays with control and without taking risks.
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That would be the player who plays to win rather than destroy the opposition, that i don't have a problem with. |
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arghh bumflaps , another fumble. Why can't these Gobbo's just pick the ball up? |
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Eddy
Joined: Aug 04, 2004
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Aug 06, 2005 - 00:10 |
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| Hammerhiem wrote: | | If you go out of your way to remove someones enjoyment, then you take it to a personal level, and for me thats just about the worst thing you can do to a person on Fumbbl. |
that's stupid. we are playing a game. everything that happens in the game is NOT personal: it's in the GAME. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Aug 06, 2005 - 00:41 |
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WHAT I DO LIKE:
- I stall. If I can stall it's because you let me do so. So live with it or do your best to take the ball from me.
- I foul for tactical purposes. If you leave your ST 5 Wardancer in my backfield all alone, expect him to be fouled even if I have no DP.
- I crowdpush if I find it useful. If you don't want to be crowdpushed, take Stand Firm or Side Step for your players. Or just don't dance on the borders.
- I throw the ball to an empty square if it suits my gameplans (and I won many games with this tactic). If you don't want this to happen, leave a couple ballcarriers behind.
WHAT I DON'T LIKE:
- I don't hire stars without telling. Hiring "in secret" is accepted in Fumbbl but it's like exploiting a difference between the Client and tabletop games. And it's wimpy not to tell your opponent. Too scared that you don't cherrypick those amazons if you tell them you hire Lord Borak?
- I don't foul or crowdpush in turn 16 (assuming it's the LAST turn and my opponent has none left), cause it's just plain nonsense. There's a slight difference if crowdpushes are necessary to score my Td in the last turn.
- I don't foul for fouling sake.
- I don't call other coaches names in game.
- I don't whine.
- I don't tell them how they are lucky when they put up amazing game plans.
I am (usually) considered a good sport. So maybe this is the way to go. Feel free to adjust my list for your personal likings.
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BigMac
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
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Aug 06, 2005 - 00:59 |
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| Hammerhiem wrote: | | That would be the player who plays to win rather than destroy the opposition, that i don't have a problem with. |
Look, I want to throw you a towel here. Playing Blood Bowl and not minding the score, using every availiable assist for fouls while your opponet scores unchallenged, playing for the sole purpose of causing damage to your opponent breaks the game.
Thats not an issue of manner, but balance, it just doesn't work balancewise if a chaos team picks no skills other than those that cause damage.
But the same goes for the Elf teams that waste skills on upping their already high movement rather than protecting themselves with block or getting dirty players to deal with dangerous enemys.
So you don't just get beaten up. You either picked bad skills or played badly or engaged in a dangerous matchup. Yes, there are those games where every armour roll is an armour break. Build a bridge and get over it. Its the game.
So here is my checklist:
1. Learn how to cherrypick the right way, and avoid teams that are heavy on bashing and at the same time have a really bad winning record - unless you want to experience fear or retire your team with honour. (Just looking for a few newbie scaring skills isn't good cherrypicking)
2. Prepare your team to deal with threats and make sure you have enough power on your team to take them out before they unfold their full potential.
3. Learn how to play against physically superior teams, avoid to score unnecessary touchdowns, knock over dirty players or put them in tackle zones and stay the hell away from big guys.
There you go now you got schooled on blood bowl by the BigMac. ^^ |
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Gumbo
Joined: Oct 11, 2003
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Aug 06, 2005 - 01:35 |
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| thesquig wrote: | | Pau wrote: | | I don't see how hiring a star without telling you is unsportman like. If he/she has the money you should expect it like you would expect a crowdpush if you have a player on the sidelines. |
I see your point, and actually I always check to see how much cash someone has. I will ask what they intend to do with the money and if they lie to me, then I wont play them again.
My point is, if you're going to hire a star why trick someone into it? Have you something to hide? Do you think you wont win the game without the star? Often an even matchup will be spoiled with someone hiring a star.
Your point is very valid, you should check money and I usually do. However, it just seems a little dishonest to hire a star when your opponent expected an even matchup. Depends whether you see the game as 'win at all costs and do anything to do so' or 'winning would be great but as long as both coaches have alot of fun, it doesnt matter'.
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Theres a good way of knowing if you opponent intends to do this or not. Get them to host, then when its up simply refresh the team page you first looked at and you'll know if they have done the dirty on you. Then tell them you see what they did and you dont wish to play, then watch as they try to get games with a star or chuck their cash away. Fun! |
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BigMac
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
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Aug 06, 2005 - 01:45 |
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THAT is bad sportsmanship and should get you banned just like discing. |
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