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Posted by: Christer on Friday, June 03, 2022 - 20:19
After a much longer time than expected, and a seemingly endless series of work from HimalayaP1C7 and myself, Gamefinder 2.0 is at a point which we are happy to call beta.

This means that all the core functionality is in place, and should be usable by people to find and launch games through. There may still be issues and/or usability quirks, which is why I am asking for as many of you as possible to start using it to find games. The new system can be found here:

https://fumbbl.com/p/lfg2

In addition to finding issues and bugs, we are also looking for feedback on the user experience as a whole. It's clearly different from the old gamefinder, so try to remain a bit objective when you provide feedback. The intent of the redesign was to give more information to people, to allow for more flexibility in matchmaking but also to correct some problems with the old system.

Either way, please do take a peek and let us know what you think! There's a forum thread for feedback as it's easier to follow the forum than the comments to a news post.
grant85 on Jun 04, 2022 - 04:05
awesome work. thanks for all you do
    Java on Jun 04, 2022 - 13:28
    suggestion: put a link to it in the "Game" tab menu above
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      Java on Jun 04, 2022 - 13:29
      (so that it's quicker to access and more people notice)
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Whizky1000 on Jun 04, 2022 - 14:41
Hey! First off all, well done!!

when i select 3 of my teams, i don't see any other team. At the same time in the old LFG i see some teams and coaches i could offer a game.
    Whizky1000 on Jun 04, 2022 - 14:43
    when i mouseover the frame where the opponents should be (i think :) ), there is written "Opponents filtered by selected team. Frozen
    No opponents available."

    i'm not sure if i did freeze anything?
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      HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 04, 2022 - 19:36
      The Frozen label appears when your mouse is over the area that shows possible opponents. When your mouse is over this area it won’t add new opponents to avoid things jumping around and causing misclicks. As soon as your mouse leaves that area, any new opponents will appear.
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    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 04, 2022 - 19:32
    The old and new systems aren’t connected. So you won’t see the same coaches in both, unless they’ve got both systems opened in separate tabs for example.
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Sharkrudi on Jun 05, 2022 - 05:08
Great !!

we expect more than the black box to be at the top, see even more inducements and rulebook options.

Good Job.
MattDakka on Jun 05, 2022 - 11:42
How can I filter the coaches by rank? I can't find the option.
Also, it's all nice and fancy, but I'm waiting for the Black Box option.
GF 2 is, like GF 1, a massive time-wasting system.
    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 05, 2022 - 11:58
    I believe the re-write of GameFinder was a pre-requisite for BlackBox as BlackBox will eventually be built on top of the same new application Christer has built for Gamefinder.

    I don’t think there are plans to add filtering by Rank, but I’ll check again if Christer wants this at some point.
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MattDakka on Jun 05, 2022 - 12:10
I explain better: filter by rank should be only on GF 2, in Black Box there should be no rank filter.
Some time ago I suggested on forums to add a filter by rank to GF, and looked like it would have been added to GF 2, hence my question about it now.
Anyway, it's not that important, I'm interested only in the Black Box, I'm not here to stare at a GF page for hours, no matter how well designed and nice looking is.
You can make a super GF 2 or 3 but people will always be the same, they want to pick. This can't be fixed by a GF. Only the Black Box can fix the picking.
MattDakka on Jun 05, 2022 - 15:53
As an aside, I see in the list coaches who are in game. They should not be displayed in the list of possible opponents if they are playing a game.
    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 05, 2022 - 23:18
    This bug should be fixed very soon.
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      HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 07, 2022 - 00:50
      This issue has been fixed now.
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MattDakka on Jun 05, 2022 - 20:30
To be honest, I found the old Gamefinder more intuitive and easier to use.
Maybe I'm old and can't adapt to new things, but just adding the options to hide coaches (like the one on GF 2) and a filter by rank (to trim the list of possible opponent, for example: "Star or higher" or "Emerging Star or lower") to the old GF would have done the work.
JackassRampant on Jun 05, 2022 - 22:39
I like the layout better, but I'm having technical issues. Sometimes I'll offer a match but it won't show in the offered matches. I'll offer a different match with the same coach and it does, so I'm not being blocked. Also sometimes it'll say there are no suitable matches for a team when I have a team activated that's right near their TV. Then once someone greenlit me, but when I clicked on the check box it did nothing. Haven't gotten a game in yet.
    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 05, 2022 - 23:06
    Thanks, these could easily be bugs but I can also think of possible explanations for each case. To find out I’d need the details of each case, mainly which teams were involved.

    There are lots of possible issues related to timing, so a coach leaving gamefinder or deactivating a team or hiding a match up could lead to unexpected offer failures on your side.

    If you have an example of 2 teams that aren’t allowing you to make an offer, which you think should be allowed, let us know the details and it should be easy to check.

    Finally, if somebody greenlights you, they could have cancelled their offer at approximately the same time you tried to accept it.

    It will be tricky to get to the exact cause of these issues, however if something is happening repeatedly we have a much better chance of finding and fixing a problem.
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MattDakka on Jun 05, 2022 - 23:03
Is it possible to connect the old GF page to the new GF page, so everybody can use the GF page he prefers to look for games?
The more time I spend on the new GF page, the more I like the old one!
:D
    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 05, 2022 - 23:15
    My understanding is that would be a huge task for Christer and incredibly unlikely to be done.

    Getting GameFinder 2 into a usable state will help to get work on BlackBox underway, so maybe try to focus on feedback to explain bugs and suggested improvements.
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Azur on Jun 06, 2022 - 00:25
Since this afternoon (15.00 server time), I need a proxy to be able to reach Fumbll.... A problem due to the implementation of the new GF?
Anyone here with the same issue?
    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 06, 2022 - 00:45
    Very unlikely to be related to any recent feature updates, Discord help channel is probably best to see if others are also having issues (I don’t believe they have).
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Azur on Jun 06, 2022 - 01:29
Richer than the previous interface, and therefore a little bit more complicated, but only a few minutes of "snooping" is enough to understand how the whole thing works.
One of the best new additions : being able to see ALL the opponents connected and their team list. Then you can "adjust" your own team list accordingly. Very cool.

IMHO, a very satisfying system so far.

Very good job, gentlemen.

    Sharkrudi on Jun 06, 2022 - 10:33
    +1 Azur
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BlackNWhiteDog on Jun 07, 2022 - 11:30
Thank you HimalayaP1C7 & Christer your time and effort is much appreciated!
Xandyreoch on Jun 08, 2022 - 00:33
ah, found the place to comment!

please can the tick boxes for choosing teams to activate be a little larger :D
    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 08, 2022 - 00:35
    I'll see what I can do, should be fine to change.
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The_Murker on Jun 08, 2022 - 10:38
Pretty darn cool.

I'd love to see a team player count in the team summary, as I'm always counting numbers, and double checking MNG on rival teams. Easy(ier) 'open in new tab' options to get to the actual team bio in more places would be good, as my offers given and received are always running out of time as I try and look to see if it's just a mighty blow kill squad bravely offering my elves a game.

More time before offers expire! I am using both at once, atm, as game offers don't 'expire' on the old gamefinder.

Much appreciated.
    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 08, 2022 - 11:05
    Thanks very much for the feedback, I’ll add these suggestions to the issue tracker.
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      Azur on Jun 08, 2022 - 12:44
      "More time before offers expire! I am using both at once, atm, as game offers don't 'expire' on the old gamefinder."

      Definitely +1.
      I'd say it's the only "flaw" so far.
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        Gengis on Jun 08, 2022 - 14:47
        I think the same.
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Amistad on Jun 08, 2022 - 14:55
Great job!

i have a couple of request and a bug report:

the bug: you can be matched with opponents that you have already met, once you accept, you receive the error notification that you are not allowed to play: would be better just not be able to challenge.

suggestions:
-the loud sound for incoming request is great, would be good to be able to activate it also for accepted requests (now is silent, on chrome)
-would be good to see the number of games needed before challenging a coach again in the gamefinder list

    HimalayaP1C7 on Jun 08, 2022 - 16:05
    Thanks for the feedback, I’ll get those into the issue tracker.
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      Christer on Jun 08, 2022 - 16:11
      The bug is already fixed.
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        Amistad on Jun 08, 2022 - 16:22
        Thanks!

        Just a quick note, happened last time this morning around 10/11, just in case the fix was released earlier
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Scisco on Jun 09, 2022 - 07:09
My man!