Posted by cdassak on 2015-09-08 17:10:30

The TPOMB vs St 1 AV5 stunties part happens to all Ogre games in real BB too.

Posted by Dominik on 2015-09-08 17:13:32

And that is why they are Ogre. Nobody plays them and if they do, they know what to expect. Snotling combine both - automatic success against them and being piled on. It was once a bash fest if Snotling joined the pitch and which of the contestants removed more players, won!
Snotling once were a playable race.

Posted by luckyjim12 on 2015-09-08 17:25:52

I don't understand. I'm watching it and it's 7 out on one team v 8 out on the other team. Which one do you think is at a disadvantage?

Posted by Dominik on 2015-09-08 17:26:19

Watch the first half.

Posted by xnoelx on 2015-09-08 17:30:59

Horrors aren't an automatic success. The wyrms have to pass a WA 4+ roll to bomb. Then both they and the Flamers have to bomb on target, typically a 3+, give or take.

Also, you chose to bring snots to the tourney. No-one forced you. Just like Ogres in the big leagues, they are (and are known to be) the weakest team. Which is fine, somebody has to be, and it is entirely appropriate to all existing fluff that it is those 2 teams which are the worst.

However, choosing to play with the worst team, and then complaining that they are the worst and demanding that they be changed is... foolish, at the very least.

Posted by Mossbeard on 2015-09-08 17:32:27

I also recently had a game with my Snotlings versus Horrors, this is a bit like the leeg equivalent of Amazons vs. Dwarves. It started very poorly with both my Ball and Chains taken out in turn 1 by deadly accurate bombs, in fact my opponent didn't miss with a bomb until turn 6 or 7. By the end of the game though I ended up almost winning but fell on the endzone line and had to settle for the tie.

Snotlings are one of the worst teams in the leeg and Horrors are among the toughest but it is not really that they overpowered. However, I have to agree that Horrors are too hard to take off the pitch and could use a redesign.

Being the only team with powerful(ie not daggers) secret weapons that can't be banned gives them too great of an advantage, which means they mostly just crush their opponents or else self destruct. It can feel like you as the opponent have little impact and are just hoping that they have a self destruct game and not a crush their opponents game. I find they are much like Gnomes in this regard but at least Gnome weapons can be banned.

Anyway rated six for talking about Stunty leeg!

Posted by Dominik on 2015-09-08 17:35:23

They weren't the worst team. I was quite successful with them. Why did you weaken them that much? My winning record was like 71 (40/13/18) which speaks for a Tier 1 race.

Posted by xnoelx on 2015-09-08 17:42:42

Yes, they weren't the worst team, back when Secret Weapons didn't work, and Big Guys had G access, and the whole Leeg was a very different place. But they should've been much worse, and now they are. Also, TVs used to be black and white, people used to keep slaves, and fridges used to have a huge block of ice in them to keep them cold. Changes happen. You should probably accept that.

Posted by Dominik on 2015-09-08 17:53:26

Back then that was the deal:
You get three Big Guys and some secret weapons to cope with the teams who get only two Big Guys but Strength 2 Stunty Linemen.

I have three grandfathered Trolls with Block Tackle and Pro and still keep losing against those teams with the key for Snotling. It's a nightmare to play against those teams with ordinary Guard, Stand Firm Trolls.

Posted by xnoelx on 2015-09-08 18:00:20

And back then they were better than they should've been. Now they are appropriately worse.

Posted by Mossbeard on 2015-09-08 18:36:10

xnoelx, I'm sorry but Snotlings were never even good, let alone way better then they should've been. They used to be average way back in the day, now they are the worst team in Stunty, I am not sure if that is appropriate.

Posted by xnoelx on 2015-09-08 23:23:25

Dominik's record of 40/13/18 suggests they were better than average. And yes, from the fluff, it is entirely appropriate that they should be the worst. Every appearance of snotlings throughout all of GW's history has been based solely around their comedic value and inferiority to every other race, bar none.