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2012-08-05 02:20:18
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20 votes, rating 5.7
Rolls. And dealing with them. Blah blah blah.
I really, really thought about posting this now. I have been having a few drinks *zip* so I am not sure if anything type makes any sense. But this is something I have been thinking during this weekend a lot.
I am a poker coach, and during the past year or so I have been working a lot with poker psychology and mental issues. I can't emphasize enough Jared Tendler's book, which can be get free as audio book through Amazon (PM me for details, no catch included). In his book Jared really changes the gears, as he isn't curing the symptoms but goes straight to curing the cause. In poker terms, he doesn't talk how to handle tilt. He talks how to prevent it.
Anyway, as I have talked in my previous posts about similarities between poker and BB, this is the same shit in new wrappings. Now I am talking about things I can control and things I can't control. In poker, the only thing I can control is my own actions. The cards come, but I can't choose them. So when a bad card comes, what good does it do if I get angry about it? Nothing. Same thing in BB.
I can't control the dice. I can't control my opponent. The only thing I can control, is my actions. No matter how much I whine and cry, the rolls won't change to my favor. So what good does it do, if I worry about them?
As I have worked with my poker mindset a lot, I found out that it changed my BB mindset too. I had about 2+ years break from FUMBBL and BB, and as I came back I found out that I don't get angry about my pixels anymore. Earlier I got angry and frustrated when my precious pixels died. Or when I got bad dicing and lost a game. Now I KNOW that I can't control the dice. I can control my actions, and with good decisions I can work with probabilities. But still, any roll can be a turnover. That is something I have to accept. And on the other side, sometimes every roll succeeds. I have to accept that too, it's part of the game.
Today, as I was drinking (and I might have been "little" drunk) I played 2 Box games. I got brilliant dicing, or at least I felt like it. Of course both opponents had 0 rerolls, which might have done something about it. And besides those games I played a League game where I was ridiculously lucky. But so what? Nothing I can do about it. All I can control is how to deal with it. I laughed, made jokes and had fun time. I really hope my opponens enjoyed those games, despite the bad dicing. Cos there is nothing they can do about the dice. All they can control is how they deal with it.
Now if you have two options: either laugh or cry, which one is better?
I am a poker coach, and during the past year or so I have been working a lot with poker psychology and mental issues. I can't emphasize enough Jared Tendler's book, which can be get free as audio book through Amazon (PM me for details, no catch included). In his book Jared really changes the gears, as he isn't curing the symptoms but goes straight to curing the cause. In poker terms, he doesn't talk how to handle tilt. He talks how to prevent it.
Anyway, as I have talked in my previous posts about similarities between poker and BB, this is the same shit in new wrappings. Now I am talking about things I can control and things I can't control. In poker, the only thing I can control is my own actions. The cards come, but I can't choose them. So when a bad card comes, what good does it do if I get angry about it? Nothing. Same thing in BB.
I can't control the dice. I can't control my opponent. The only thing I can control, is my actions. No matter how much I whine and cry, the rolls won't change to my favor. So what good does it do, if I worry about them?
As I have worked with my poker mindset a lot, I found out that it changed my BB mindset too. I had about 2+ years break from FUMBBL and BB, and as I came back I found out that I don't get angry about my pixels anymore. Earlier I got angry and frustrated when my precious pixels died. Or when I got bad dicing and lost a game. Now I KNOW that I can't control the dice. I can control my actions, and with good decisions I can work with probabilities. But still, any roll can be a turnover. That is something I have to accept. And on the other side, sometimes every roll succeeds. I have to accept that too, it's part of the game.
Today, as I was drinking (and I might have been "little" drunk) I played 2 Box games. I got brilliant dicing, or at least I felt like it. Of course both opponents had 0 rerolls, which might have done something about it. And besides those games I played a League game where I was ridiculously lucky. But so what? Nothing I can do about it. All I can control is how to deal with it. I laughed, made jokes and had fun time. I really hope my opponens enjoyed those games, despite the bad dicing. Cos there is nothing they can do about the dice. All they can control is how they deal with it.
Now if you have two options: either laugh or cry, which one is better?
Comments
Posted by Kyyberi on 2012-08-05 02:21:08
Sorry for zillion typos. My keyboard has a drinking problem.
Posted by MattDakka on 2012-08-05 02:32:55
Whining in itself doesn't change dice, but it helps psychologically to release stress and frustration, and this can help to focus back on the match, this is the positive whining.
Then there is the negative whining, i.e blaming bad luck without focusing on the game anymore.
Then there is the negative whining, i.e blaming bad luck without focusing on the game anymore.
Posted by Nelphine on 2012-08-05 02:46:12
I think about this every day I'm at work. I have to listen to terrible pop music, as prescribed by my head office.
Do I get angry and complain, or do I sing aloud (off key and out of tune) to every single song, and therefore laugh all day?
To me the answer is obvious - my coworkers are not really enthused about my choice.
Do I get angry and complain, or do I sing aloud (off key and out of tune) to every single song, and therefore laugh all day?
To me the answer is obvious - my coworkers are not really enthused about my choice.
Posted by Korenn on 2012-08-05 12:57:54
Interesting, there are some similarities in any game involving chance which can turn out good or bad.
But BB is different because there's so much more room for the actions that can be controlled. Bigger domain space, is what I'm saying. This allows you to try to preempt bad rolls, and then anticipate good rolls. Assuming of course you have enough men left on the field to do so.
But BB is different because there's so much more room for the actions that can be controlled. Bigger domain space, is what I'm saying. This allows you to try to preempt bad rolls, and then anticipate good rolls. Assuming of course you have enough men left on the field to do so.
Posted by Niebling on 2012-08-05 16:38:02
Whine does not make for better dices? lies! we all know that the great lord nuffle dines on our whine and he only ever listens if you whine loud enough!!!
that being said, good post rated 6 :)
that being said, good post rated 6 :)
Posted by koadah on 2012-08-05 17:04:06
I can understand people writing books about tilt in poker as there is money to be won or lost. Sometimes a lot of money.
But in BB it surely it just boils down to
"Grow up, it's only game. A silly game at that."
But in BB it surely it just boils down to
"Grow up, it's only game. A silly game at that."
Posted by Kyyberi on 2012-08-05 18:31:59
But as in poker, you can't just decide not to tilt. Otherwise there wouldn't be any problems with it. When someone gets upset in BB, it's rarely a logical decision. If you say "don't get upset", it doesn't help. There are ways to reduce the amount of upset, or get rid of it completely. But it requires little work.
In poker, making money might be a good motivator. But there are players that play for fun, not for the money. And they are working to cure their tilt problems, cos tilting isn't fun. I would think that there are some players whom might be interested in working their BB mindset, to make the game more enjoyable.
Team developement is the key point here. You work to get your team into some point. And when pixels die, it throws away all that work. It's only natural that it's upsetting. Some players might even enjoy the grief in some way. But some players don't like it. So what I am trying to say, there is a way to fix the problems. If one likes to.
Poker and BB are similar in some ways, but different in some ways. In BB you have a lot of things you can control. And you can control how you are prepared when the bad rolls come. That is one aspect of BB skill. But in the end, you will have turnovers. You will fail in the worst possible moment. Your pixels will die. Then you can control how you react to it.
In poker, making money might be a good motivator. But there are players that play for fun, not for the money. And they are working to cure their tilt problems, cos tilting isn't fun. I would think that there are some players whom might be interested in working their BB mindset, to make the game more enjoyable.
Team developement is the key point here. You work to get your team into some point. And when pixels die, it throws away all that work. It's only natural that it's upsetting. Some players might even enjoy the grief in some way. But some players don't like it. So what I am trying to say, there is a way to fix the problems. If one likes to.
Poker and BB are similar in some ways, but different in some ways. In BB you have a lot of things you can control. And you can control how you are prepared when the bad rolls come. That is one aspect of BB skill. But in the end, you will have turnovers. You will fail in the worst possible moment. Your pixels will die. Then you can control how you react to it.
Posted by SzieberthAdam on 2012-08-05 20:39:47
True post.
Posted by koadah on 2012-08-06 02:02:19
Even without money (i've never played for real cash) I can understand the idea of tilt.
Tilt I assume is important as it affects your perception and could lead you to play later hands in a less than optimal way.
I just don't understand some of the BB hissy fits. This is probably part of the reason Box & [R] get such a bad rep.
People try to play in the same way that they play in [L] and have a laugh and it upsets people.
CRP has tried to get around the pixel hugging by giving inducememnts & journeymen. Maybe the first step is to dump this LRB4 tight TV matching thinkiong.
Just use whatever you have and take the inducements. If players die they die. Be grateful for your inducements. Wizard FTW. ;)
Are you playing to build or playing to win?
BB is meant to be silly not just fun. The silliness is part of the fun.
Tilt I assume is important as it affects your perception and could lead you to play later hands in a less than optimal way.
I just don't understand some of the BB hissy fits. This is probably part of the reason Box & [R] get such a bad rep.
People try to play in the same way that they play in [L] and have a laugh and it upsets people.
CRP has tried to get around the pixel hugging by giving inducememnts & journeymen. Maybe the first step is to dump this LRB4 tight TV matching thinkiong.
Just use whatever you have and take the inducements. If players die they die. Be grateful for your inducements. Wizard FTW. ;)
Are you playing to build or playing to win?
BB is meant to be silly not just fun. The silliness is part of the fun.
Posted by koadah on 2012-08-06 02:06:27
I challenge all you BB tilters to bring some flings (even better no tree flings) or gobbos to the 145 Open or Rookie Leagues.
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=group&op=view&group=3180&p=members
Y so serious guys. ;)
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=group&op=view&group=3180&p=members
Y so serious guys. ;)
Posted by dode74 on 2012-08-06 08:44:00
"Maybe the first step is to dump this LRB4 tight TV matching thinkiong."
Heretic! ;)
Heretic! ;)
Posted by koadah on 2012-08-06 10:28:38
You probably would have to sweeten it with a CPOMB nerf though. ;)