Uedder
Joined: Aug 03, 2010
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Sep 01, 2016 - 17:32 |
 
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The true potential of pro elves is still undisclosed.
And you shall all acknowledge their genetic superiority when I lose the first round of some major! |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Sep 01, 2016 - 18:11 |
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Anyways, pro elves are not bad at all. They are a pretty great race in their own right.
They are just not as good as any of the other Elf races... |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 01, 2016 - 18:50 |
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I think they're better than high elves personally, by quite some margin too. For me Helves though still very good are the weakest of all elves. I just dont think their thrower is worth while, especially at his huge cost. I think the increased cost for Av just isn't good value for money in this team, other than their blitzer. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2016 - 18:55 |
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I think Pro Elves are slightly weaker than High Elves according to my experience, AV 8 makes a difference; the HE Thrower is not necessary, therefore his high cost is not an issue.
Wood Elves are the best of the elf teams for Blodge MA 8 Leapers, 1TTD potential, Treeman (yes not great vs clawpomb but prevents some LoS casualties at mid-low TV) and highest average MA. |
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JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Sep 01, 2016 - 19:04 |
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AV8 definitely makes a difference, but I guess it depends to some extent on how you play. For me, HEs are the best balance between speed and armour - they have AV8 and the speed to reliably one-turn.
WE are good too (although the Treeman is dead weight vs other elf teams). |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 01, 2016 - 19:37 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | | I think Pro Elves are slightly weaker than High Elves according to my experience, AV 8 makes a difference. |
in lrb4 I'd agree. But in this edition, where Claw is everywhere, TV optimisation is so important and stars and scrubs is the preferred team building method, for me that extra TV just aint worth it and I always feel like I'm playing catch up with the other teams when playing with Helves.
I do however think pro elves are perhaps a bit more of an experienced players team, getting the most of SS comes with experience. learning how to cope with less men again comes with experience and so on. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2016 - 20:35 |
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| Garion wrote: |
in lrb4 I'd agree. But in this edition, where Claw is everywhere, TV optimisation is so important and stars and scrubs is the preferred team building method, for me that extra TV just aint worth it and I always feel like I'm playing catch up with the other teams when playing with Helves.
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If you play HE at low-mid TV Claw is not everywhere, and AV 8 is nice to have when you fail a dodge, a GFI or vs POMB.
About the extra TV:
a Pro Elf team made by 2 Blitzers, 3 Catchers, 6 Linelves is 880 TV.
a HE team made by 2 Blitzers, 3 Catchers, 6 Linelves is 890 TV, not a great TV difference. |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Sep 01, 2016 - 20:38 |
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Claw is never everywhere.. not even on teams with claw... AV8 is pretty darn useful. And to call it a TV management obstacle at a cost of 10TV is...
well, lets just say HE are awesome. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2016 - 20:38 |
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| Wreckage wrote: | | Claw is never everywhere.. not even on teams with claw... AV8 is pretty darn useful. |
Exactly, moreover, Claw only is weaker than MB vs AV 8, and MB is more common than Claw. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 01, 2016 - 20:44 |
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| Wreckage wrote: | Claw is never everywhere.. not even on teams with claw... AV8 is pretty darn useful. And to call it a TV management obstacle at a cost of 10TV is...
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10 tv per player. in a team that might be 60TV which is an extra pro elf player, or 3 x dodge. For me that's more useful, to each their own though.
Also guys I was just making a point about prevalence of claw, you don't have to be quite so literal with everything  |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2016 - 20:56 |
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| Garion wrote: |
10 tv per player. in a team that might be 60TV which is an extra pro elf player. For me that's more useful, to each their own though.
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An extra pro elf player in the reserves box, though, not on the pitch.
Since you can't replace players during a drive having AV 8 makes a difference, because on average less players will be removed during the drive.
You need your players to be on the pitch for the drive, not in the reserve box.
I played with 12 Pro Elves and generally speaking the extra linelf didn't make a difference compared to playing with 11 Pro Elves, because AV 7 and no skills (it's harder to retain SPPs on AV 7 linelves than on AV 8 linelves) means that they get depitched quite easily. |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Sep 01, 2016 - 21:09 |
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| Garion wrote: | | I think they're better than high elves personally, by quite some margin too. For me Helves though still very good are the weakest of all elves. I just dont think their thrower is worth while, especially at his huge cost. I think the increased cost for Av just isn't good value for money in this team, other than their blitzer. |
I love my high elves but its not for their inherent skills or abilities. even though MA8 is awesome if you took a team with 15 skills and distributed them as you saw fit, the high elves would still be the behind the curve of the rest. The only reason im better with helfs and pelfs and welfs than delfs is superior skill rolls respectively and ma8 |
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keggiemckill
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
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Sep 01, 2016 - 21:17 |
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I thought it was pretty funny when I said
| keggiemckill wrote: | | This thread should have been named Witch Elf races are the Best. |
and no one laughed |
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Uedder
Joined: Aug 03, 2010
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Sep 01, 2016 - 21:28 |
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Yeah. Sidestep, pass and NoS for 10k each. 2 blitzers 2 throwers 4 catchers that makes 120k save on positionals.
That's it. Pro positionals are simply better than anyone but wardancers. But you can only have 2 of those.
And nowadays it's all about the positionals. |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Sep 01, 2016 - 21:36 |
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| keggiemckill wrote: | I thought it was pretty funny when I said
| keggiemckill wrote: | | This thread should have been named Witch Elf races are the Best. |
and no one laughed |
I laughed but didnt want you to get any idears |
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