stormmaster1
Joined: May 26, 2005
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May 12, 2006 - 15:27 |
 
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On tabletop, i just played a few games with chaos. 1st skill i got a DP beastman. Every game i fouled with him every turn untill he got sent off. In next 4 games he got sent off after 1 foul, no opponents removed, injured 1 player and 3 KOs, injured 1 player, 1 KO, 2 stuns, and managed to remove 5 players from the field with a turn 1 GTR. After that he got sent off 1st foul twice.
The thing is as he is just 1 player, and not skilled aside from DP he has a good chance of getting sent off having caused little damage (or only 1 player removed), but if so i have only lost 1 player. I'm not in a bad position. He has the chance of putting in a matchwinning fouling performance if he gets lucky and stays on. I probably won two of those matches purely because of 1 DP. The whole skill of blood bowl is judging the risk benifit. A single DP seems to be lots of potential benifit, but relatively little risk. Lots of foulers, and several players sent off is a bit different. |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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May 12, 2006 - 15:36 |
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| stormmaster1 wrote: | On tabletop, i just played a few games with chaos. 1st skill i got a DP beastman. Every game i fouled with him every turn untill he got sent off. In next 4 games he got sent off after 1 foul, no opponents removed, injured 1 player and 3 KOs, injured 1 player, 1 KO, 2 stuns, and managed to remove 5 players from the field with a turn 1 GTR. After that he got sent off 1st foul twice.
The thing is as he is just 1 player, and not skilled aside from DP he has a good chance of getting sent off having caused little damage (or only 1 player removed), but if so i have only lost 1 player. I'm not in a bad position. He has the chance of putting in a matchwinning fouling performance if he gets lucky and stays on. I probably won two of those matches purely because of 1 DP. The whole skill of blood bowl is judging the risk benifit. A single DP seems to be lots of potential benifit, but relatively little risk. Lots of foulers, and several players sent off is a bit different. |
beware though, some are really good at anti fouling game style. |
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BHeaded
Joined: May 11, 2006
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May 15, 2006 - 11:48 |
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I am new to fumbbl and was quite surprised to see the massive discussions and debates on the tactics and 'morality' of DP. In my tabletop league, fouling and DPs was just a way of life that no one complained about. Your DP spent half his time in the Sin Bin but that was life. The other half of the time he is an invaluable tool.
I always choose DP as the first skill for a lineman, but one is enough. I just cannot see my Orcs not fouling a Wood Elf just because i'm afraid the WE coach might foul back. Orcs are just not that smart.
I will foul every turn (not at the risk of messing up a TD though) and will compliment anyone that fouls back. |
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MiBasse
Joined: Dec 04, 2004
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May 15, 2006 - 14:15 |
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| BHeaded wrote: | I am new to fumbbl and was quite surprised to see the massive discussions and debates on the tactics and 'morality' of DP. In my tabletop league, fouling and DPs was just a way of life that no one complained about. Your DP spent half his time in the Sin Bin but that was life. The other half of the time he is an invaluable tool.
I always choose DP as the first skill for a lineman, but one is enough. I just cannot see my Orcs not fouling a Wood Elf just because i'm afraid the WE coach might foul back. Orcs are just not that smart.
I will foul every turn (not at the risk of messing up a TD though) and will compliment anyone that fouls back. |
I think I can confidently say that against a good coach you'll probably lose more than you gain by fouling every turn if you don't Get the Ref, as a good coach will keep his good players out of effective fouls most of the time and this will make you waste precious fouling oppertunitites against good targets, not to mention take some of your focus away from positioning. |
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Mnemon
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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May 16, 2006 - 01:53 |
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Plus some - or at least I - wouldn't foul back and hope to have your team reduced due to players getting ejected. I'd at least wait for your DP to go out before fouling back that is.
-Mnemon |
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BigMac
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
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Aug 22, 2006 - 19:49 |
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lord_real
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 22, 2006 - 22:28 |
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Nice thread Bigmac. 
I really like your initial post. And thats from a person really on the con side of fouling. 
Nice tips overall. |
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chunky04
Joined: Aug 11, 2003
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Aug 23, 2006 - 00:22 |
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The problem of avoiding teams with DP in Ranked is self-perpetuating.
I play most of my games in tourneys in unranked, and there I am often a somewhat prolific user of DP.
On my few forays to Ranked however, my main priority is finding a game fairly quickly. This means no DP. As you've mentioned, having a DP yourself to remove the opposition DP is one of the better defences against it. When I don't have the DP - due to the unwritten ettiquette of Ranked - I definitely don't want to play against them.
Of course since I'm mainly building up my Ranked teams (agonizingly slowly) to have a crack at the Ranked tourneys, I will at some point have to add some DP and complete my teams toolkit, at which point the games outside of the tourneys will likely dry up, but I'll be better equipped to compete in those. |
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Peter_Thorpe
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
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Aug 23, 2006 - 00:51 |
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Synn
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
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Mar 15, 2007 - 21:29 |
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BloodbasherMasher
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 15, 2007 - 21:36 |
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY |
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Meech
Joined: Sep 15, 2005
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Mar 16, 2007 - 03:18 |
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Synn is a master of misdirection. |
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amstar34
Joined: Jul 25, 2004
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Mar 16, 2007 - 03:43 |
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I wanted to type a long reply, but all I was offered was a "quick reply"!
If you want to protect yourself against fouls, learn better positioning. Better positioning will make your team more of a threat to score or take the ball away. You must know when to press an advantage and when to protect a weakness. It is tough for your opponent to gang up on your players if he needs all of his players to stop what you are trying to do. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Mar 16, 2007 - 03:56 |
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if you want to protect yourself vs fouls, give up playing
that's about it |
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vanGorn
Joined: Feb 24, 2004
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Mar 16, 2007 - 11:21 |
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Big Mac is back?  No. Calm down. Just another bumped thread. |
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