Ancre
Joined: Aug 17, 2009
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Feb 07, 2011 - 22:35 |
 
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Hi everyone ! There is a lot of talk about [B] being full of basher teams and lacking elves and softer teams. This always intrigued me because, even if I haven't played that much in [B] (only 25 games so far), I always felt it was kind of even, I had the feeling I faced different races and had a nice mix of finesse and bashers. Which is obviously not the case for everyone.
So I too decided to search for myself what is really was . The first problem I encountered was, what's the difference between a bashy team and a non-bashy team ? Some teams are obvious (dwarves are bashy, elves aren't) but some are more difficult to determine (there is a bit of talk about wether Undead are really bashy in the other thread for example, or if lizzies are, and so forth). So I used the E.L.F league graph that conviently pushes all the bashiest teams into the upper tier.
So far this is what I faced :
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Cat A (Brutal):
Dwarves 3
Chaos Dwarves 0
Khemri 4
Total cat A = 7
Cat B (Strong):
Chaos 1
Orc 3
Ogre 2
Undead 0
(Pact) 0
Total cat B = 6
Cat C (Average):
Amazon 0
Human 0
Norse 0
Nurgle 2
Total Cat C = 2
Cat D (Elf):
Dark Elf 1
High Elf 3
Pro Elf 0
Wood Elf 1
Total Cat D = 5
Cat E (Odd):
Necro 1
Lizard 2
Skaven 0
Stunty 2
Vampire 0
Total Cat E = 5
Cat F (Newcomers) :
Slaan 0
Underworld 0
Chaos Pact 0
Total = 0
Grand Total = 25 |
19 of those matches were made with my high elf team, the Black Box's Bad Boys.
I have faced a good amount of elves (1/5th of all my games) and other softer teams (Cat E, including two stunties, which also account for 1/5th of all my games). I have also faced a high number of khemri and dwarven teams, which surprised me a little but not that much - so far it confirms my feeling that my elves do face varied races even if they have a tougher time than I expected because they encounter cat A and B races more often than not.
It's also interesting to see that my dwarves have only faced bashers, save for one game against lizardmen ; I have the feeling bashers are likelier to face bashers, but the Beardlings have only played four times so they definitely haven't played enough to make my opinion more than a mere feeling.
I am aware that the ELF graph is a discutable choice in defining who's a basher and who's not (especially since it's not it's actual purpose), and I know that it count a lot more non-bashy teams than bashy ones, but I find it a good starting point for my interrogations. What are the bashy and the finesse teams for you ? How many of each have you faced so far, and with what race ? I find it interesting to challenge what I feel and the actual events. |
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belshamharoth
Joined: Jan 15, 2008
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Feb 07, 2011 - 22:40 |
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you cold use the bbr rating of the race to determine whats a bashy team |
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Reisender
Joined: Sep 29, 2007
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Feb 07, 2011 - 22:42 |
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the E.L.F speaks truth. always. |
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Frankenstein
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 07, 2011 - 22:49 |
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| Reisender wrote: | | the E.L.F speaks truth. always. |
Your avatar is still giving me the creeps, but I like your new team (K.B.C) name- and fluffwise  |
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RC
Joined: Sep 22, 2005
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Feb 07, 2011 - 22:59 |
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I keep on getting to play vs zons. Please make it stop!
I would 10 times rather play vs your " brutal" teams.
And getting to play vs ogre is not " Strong". Its a lottery ticket waiting to be won. |
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Hitonagashi
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:02 |
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Cat A (Brutal):
Dwarves 2
Chaos Dwarves 2
Khemri 1
Total cat A = 5
Cat B (Strong):
Chaos 2
Orc 5
Ogre 0
Undead 0
(Pact) 1
Total cat B = 7
Cat C (Average):
Amazon 0
Human 0
Norse 2
Nurgle 2
Total Cat C = 4
Cat D (Elf):
Dark Elf 1
High Elf 0
Pro Elf 0
Wood Elf 0
Total Cat D = 1
Cat E (Odd):
Necro 1
Lizard 1
Skaven 1
Stunty 0
Vampire 0
Total Cat E = 3
Cat F (Newcomers) :
Slaan 1
Underworld 0
Chaos Pact 2
Total = 3
Grand Total = 26 |
With this team:
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&team_id=641993(lizards)
I'd say the majority of my games were against bashier teams. That said, I think it's because I've been hanging around 1400 tv(by matter of having a death rate about equal to my spp gaining rate, not by choice), and it seems a lot of dwarves and orcs level out for a while around that TV. |
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Rijssiej
Joined: Jan 04, 2005
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:03 |
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I have only played 23 games in the new box this far and I encountered a variety of opponents. Elfs are lacking a bit but no complains about too much bashers from me.
Cat A (Brutal):
Dwarves 1
Chaos Dwarves 1
Khemri 1
Total cat A = 3
Cat B (Strong):
Chaos 3
Orc 0
Ogre 0
Undead 1
Total cat B = 4
Cat C (Average):
Amazon 1
Human 1
Norse 2
Nurgle 0
Total Cat C = 4
Cat D (Elf):
Dark Elf 0
High Elf 0
Pro Elf 1
Wood Elf 0
Total Cat D = 1
Cat E (Odd):
Necro 3
Lizard 0
Skaven 2
Stunty 0
Vampire 2
Total Cat E = 7
Cat F (Newcomers) :
Slaan 1
Underworld 1
Chaos Pact 2
Total = 4
Grand Total = 23 |
Last edited by Rijssiej on %b %07, %2011 - %23:%Feb; edited 1 time in total |
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RC
Joined: Sep 22, 2005
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:07 |
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Hitonagashi. with all that mb it makes your team into a basher. |
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Hitonagashi
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:32 |
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| RC wrote: | | Hitonagashi. with all that mb it makes your team into a basher. |
Yep  . Didn't say I wasn't...just that I usually face bashers. I didn't think the BB algorithm looked at MB count? |
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Macavity
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:39 |
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11 games in the box. 3 Chaos, 1 Undead, 1 Pact, no Dwarves, no Orcs, 2 elf teams (and a mix of others). |
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Rabe
Joined: Jun 06, 2009
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:43 |
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I played 15 games so far with the following teams (mostly picked by the bot):
Wood Elves - 5
Dwarves - 2
Underworld - 2
Nurgle - 2
Chaos - 2
Norse - 1
Vampires - 1
I had to face:
Chaos - 4 (one team twice)
Necro - 3
Amazon - 2
Chaos Dwarf - 1
Slann - 1
Dwarf - 1
Chaos Pact - 1
Orcs - 1
Nurgle - 1
Can't complain about a lack of diversity. |
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PorkSol
Joined: Jan 10, 2008
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:47 |
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In 83 games in the new box I have faced
12 Chaos Pact
9 Chaos
8 Chaos Dwarf
5 Dwarf
5 Necro
5 Norse
5 Orc
5 Slann
Everybody else less than 5
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0 Amazons, Halflings, Wood Elves, Underworld, Vampire |
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freak_in_a_frock
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 07, 2011 - 23:48 |
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Cat A (Brutal):
Dwarves 3
Chaos Dwarves 1
Khemri 1
Total cat A = 5
Cat B (Strong):
Chaos 2
Orc 5
Ogre 0
Undead 1
Total cat B = 8
Cat C (Average):
Amazon 0
Human 1
Norse 0
Nurgle 4
Total Cat C = 5
Cat D (Elf):
Dark Elf 3
High Elf 0
Pro Elf 0
Wood Elf 3
Total Cat D = 6
Cat E (Odd):
Necro 2
Lizard 2
Skaven 0
Stunty 0
Vampire0
Total Cat E = 4
Cat F (Newcomers) :
Slaan 1
Underworld 0
Chaos Pact 3
Total = 4
Grand Total = 33 |
Is what i have faced. So as many wood elves and dark elves as dwarves
For the record i have played as :-
Necros 8
Dwarves 4
Wood elves 7
Dark elves 9
Khemri 4
Only counting since the switch over of course |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Feb 08, 2011 - 01:49 |
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Only ten games so far, but not the happiest of opponent selection...
Necro: 3
Dwarf: 2
Chaos: 2
Zon: 1
Undead: 1
Skaven: 1 |
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Mossbeard
Joined: Jul 03, 2005
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Feb 08, 2011 - 01:56 |
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I have played 36 games in the box since the changeover.
My teams are Dwarf, Chaos Dwarf, High Elf, Lizard, Pact, Human, Nurgle and Norse.
Cat A (Brutal):
Dwarves 2
Chaos Dwarves 4
Khemri 0
<b>Total cat A = 6
Cat B (Strong):
Chaos 3
Orc 5
Ogre 0
Undead 1
Total cat B = 9
Cat C (Average):
Amazon 4
Human 2
Norse 0
Nurgle 3
Total Cat C = 9
Cat D (Elf):
Dark Elf 0
High Elf 1
Pro Elf 0
Wood Elf 0
Total Cat D = 1
Cat E (Odd):
Necro 4
Lizard 0
Skaven 3
Stunty 0
Vampire 0
Total Cat E = 7
Cat F (Newcomers) :
Slaan 2
Underworld 1
Chaos Pact 1
Total Cat F = 4
Grand Total = 36
Very few elves, but i got to play Skaven 3 times, Slann twice and an Underworld team once.
I wouldn't mind a few less Orcs and rookie Amazons but the variety is very refreshing on the whole.
I noticed that in my last 9 matches i have played against a different race each time.
It no longer feels like the old blackbox where the big four(dorfs, orcs, chaos, khem) dominated. |
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