Nicodemus1
Joined: May 06, 2006
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Jun 07, 2007 - 01:02 |
 
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In regards to interceptions:
The LRB4.0 states (page22) that the intercepting player "must be between the player that threw the ball and the player who is meant to recieve it"... as well as under the passing ruler...
I´ve encountered several times, where my pro Elf catcher with Dump Off has been intercepted, despite he was horizontal or vertical attached (tz) to the intended catcher (also a pro Elf catcher)
Therefore no other player are nowhere near being "between the player that threw the ball and the player who is meant to recieve it"
Furthermore... I´ve been through the Games Workshop Forum searching for the answer from Galak or Andy Hall.. but could not find it ( http://forum.specialist-games.com/search.asp?mode=DoIt )
In regards to clearyfication on the interception rules... they are clearly stated in LRB5.0 (page 22)
My Question is.. Am I totally wrong on this? Or are my poor sad little elves being mistreated by Nuffle?  |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Jun 07, 2007 - 01:22 |
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Could you link a match where this happened so we can see the positions of the players concerned? |
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Azurus
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 07, 2007 - 01:24 |
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You're saying the client always gives the player that forced the dump off the chance to intercept?
Not sure if it's correct or not, but if it isn't then it should be. Only makes sense, the guy must be close enough or you wouldn't need to dump off in the first place. |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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Jun 07, 2007 - 01:45 |
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It's rules lawyering. You could indeed argue that in the case of adjacent thrower and catcher, the interceptor can only be adjacent to either of the players, but never really be "between" them. In my own tabletop league we disallowed 1 square passes, so that bit of lawyering never came up. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Jun 07, 2007 - 04:06 |
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yup, the range ruler is pretty damn wide |
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Hodo
Joined: Jan 31, 2005
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Jun 07, 2007 - 04:10 |
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Range ruler is 3 squares wide for game purposes..... this was decided by our local game league group by a REAL lawyer who plays.... DONT argue the rules with him. He will have you pleading guilty to murdering all the fluffy bunnies in happyville. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Jun 07, 2007 - 04:46 |
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in yr league, not here |
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Nicodemus1
Joined: May 06, 2006
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Jun 07, 2007 - 10:28 |
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| pac wrote: | | Could you link a match where this happened so we can see the positions of the players concerned? |
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&op=view&id=1712922
it´s in the second half, around turn4 i believe. (in the bottom part of the field on hiss half... can´t be more specific in regards to "turn", because i´m at work and cannot use the client here |
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Nicodemus1
Joined: May 06, 2006
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Jun 07, 2007 - 10:31 |
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| Azurus wrote: | You're saying the client always gives the player that forced the dump off the chance to intercept?
Not sure if it's correct or not, but if it isn't then it should be. Only makes sense, the guy must be close enough or you wouldn't need to dump off in the first place. |
technically, the blitz is after the dump off is resolved.. therefore a thrower (aka QB) has plenty of time to get rid of the ball.
He could for instance pass the ball in the opposite direction of the blitzing player. |
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Mezir
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 07, 2007 - 10:52 |
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No, he shouldn't be able to intercept when the thrower and catcher are vertically or horizontally next to each other. Diagonally, otoh, it's possible. |
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Nicodemus1
Joined: May 06, 2006
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Jun 07, 2007 - 10:55 |
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| Mezir wrote: | | No, he shouldn't be able to intercept when the thrower and catcher are vertically or horizontally next to each other. Diagonally, otoh, it's possible. |
exactly my point... |
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Sziro
Joined: May 07, 2005
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Jun 07, 2007 - 11:19 |
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Maybe he blocked it in your thrower s hand 
Kk |
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Loki_on_NAF
Joined: Jun 07, 2005
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Jun 07, 2007 - 13:39 |
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It's interesting, having tried it in stand alone.
If you pass to someone directly away from blitzer then they do not get the chance to intercept even if the catcher is directly adjacent to the 'thrower' i.e. in the example below 1 never gets a chance to intecept when x dumps off to any o.
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-x-
-1-
Pretty obvious really 
If you pass to someone who it perpendicular and at least one space away then the blitzer does not get to intercept i.e. in the example below 1 does not get the chance to intercept on a dump off between x and o but 2 does get the chance to intercept. The range ruler is still shown to be over 1 though.
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x-o
12-
When the dump off thrower and catcher are adjacent though the blitzer does get a chance to intercept i.e. in the example below both 1 and 2 are given as choices for the intercept.
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xo-
12-
I think the moral here is stop having your catchers so close together 
Looking at the way the client handles it I would say it's a glitch. Either the blitzer should be able to intercept in both cases or neither. The distance to the target should be immaterial.
As for whether this is in line with LRB4 I think you could argue either way for it to be allowed/disallowed. I would say that the sprit of the rules would disallow the interception attempt in cases like this, however I think it IS in the spirit of how an actual sport takes place to allow an attempt in these cases.
Just my tuppence worth |
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Nicodemus1
Joined: May 06, 2006
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Jun 08, 2007 - 00:37 |
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If you look at the rule clearification in LRB5.0 you can see that Galak (who app. wrote it), are insisting on the intercepter should be closer, then the catcher... which would mean that the client in situation 1 and 2 (in DX´s post) are correct, and in #3 it is´nt.
Dunno if it possible to change, but it would help the sneaky passing game of pro-elves |
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