sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Jul 07, 2006 - 10:54 |
 
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| Cloggy wrote: | I'd give kick to orc throwers any time.
I never field linos with orcs, so a thrower gets kick. |
I wouldn't. kickers are annoying and if my primary target (throwers since they cancel Stripball) have kick, it might be a good thing.
To add I'd say: I would take block as the first skill, and I would need kick BEFORE my thrower get his second skill. |
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flash
Joined: Mar 02, 2004
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Jul 07, 2006 - 11:09 |
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Well, it depends on the race you are playing, I guess. Playing elves, i usually dont field throwers on defense if i dont have to and I try to develop at first 2 specialists, 1 recoverer who is picking up the ball (sure hands, block...), and 1 Thrower who has a huge throwing range (Accurate, Strong Arm, Safe Throw....). Though Throwers usually stands backfield kick is an option, but I tend to give kick on Linemens on 2nd or 3rd skill. |
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Tophat
Joined: Jun 01, 2006
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Jul 07, 2006 - 11:19 |
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I usually like to field my throwers when on defense as well as offense , usually ill try to get the ball back and having a player with sure hands and pass available to follow in the blitz to pick the ball up and get it safe often helps .
An ag4 with sure hands has a great chance to steal the ball if its lose and players are scrambling for it even if the balls in a few tackle zones that cant be shifted .
Kicks for linos  ( currently my kicker is the only player on the team from my starting line up despite getting a -av in the first game . Id al always planned to replace him but never had the funds ) |
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xcver
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
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Jul 07, 2006 - 11:28 |
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Kick on first lineman for the fast teams somewhat later for the bashy ones. this skill is invaluable, it gets even moreso in LRB 5 since bad kick is gone... |
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Mezir
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jul 07, 2006 - 11:32 |
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Usually my thrower is my highest SPP player - being the only player on the team practically guaranteed to pick up 2 SPPs each game. Leaving him off on defence would be rather silly, as i'd be leaving off my best player.
Personally I'm not very big on Kick, but after the mandatory Thrower skills (Sure Hands, Accurate, possibly Block) why not go for Kick unless you roll a double or a stat? More useful than Safe Throw or similar. |
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Sziro
Joined: May 07, 2005
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Jul 07, 2006 - 11:34 |
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I ususlly take kick for my first thrower in an orc or human team, because he is the first one to gain skill. (Due to sh, and the lack of rr, and skill for a risky pasing game at the low tr) I guess you should have kick asap, it slows down a rookie team greatly, or burn some rr, or cause a turnower if he wishes to pass the ball onwards. Kick is the 3. best skill(guess wich the other two is:) |
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Thomcat
Joined: Jul 20, 2004
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Jul 07, 2006 - 11:49 |
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Kick on throwers are a ok option IF you play with the 1 offensive and 1 defensive thrower and has a team with many positionals.
Cause on the defensive thrower pass, surehands and block is the skills needed. Then kick can be an option |
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Telcontar
Joined: Nov 12, 2004
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Jul 07, 2006 - 12:00 |
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As throwers skill up fast, it can happen that you just dont have good options left for the next skill pick
You took Block, Accurate now you role again no 10+ or double hmm
Dump off -- nice but more for running teams with your next team mate close
Safe Throw -- useful in 1 out of 100 games cose you still try to block enemies in your passing ways. I had it once in 400+ games that Safe Throw was used and worked.
Elven teams can take dodge as third standard skill but what for orcs or norse or humans.
I find it useful and it makes even sense from a roleplaying point of view. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jul 07, 2006 - 12:45 |
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| sk8bcn wrote: | | Cloggy wrote: | I'd give kick to orc throwers any time.
I never field linos with orcs, so a thrower gets kick. |
I wouldn't. kickers are annoying and if my primary target (throwers since they cancel Stripball) have kick, it might be a good thing.
To add I'd say: I would take block as the first skill, and I would need kick BEFORE my thrower get his second skill. |
By the time you have 4 Black orcs, 4 blitzers and a troll your linos are going to mostly be on the line so can't kick.
A thrower back with your safety can quickly turn a turnover into a score even from near your own goal line.
If a decent orc team is playing well you only need to throw once every three or four games anyway. 
Let's face it. You're only throwing because you've run out of time.
The thrower will already have block because he's not really a thrower more of a sure hands rusher. |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Jul 07, 2006 - 13:52 |
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I seldom do start with a troll 4BOB 4 Blitzer and a thrower (that's cheatball). So I have a linos too(later on, this time, I mean).
I usually remove the thrower on defense, because I prefer to have a DP on pitch that I am going to use (if he is a kicker too, it's great).I may even remove 2 if needed (insane orks, only positionals on the field is too much but well, I am not game designer)
I also rarely don't have any KO or cas. I don't want to wait for 16 spps for my thrower to get kick. I wouldn't give my thrower kick, I confirm |
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Markus
Joined: Aug 26, 2003
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Jul 07, 2006 - 14:20 |
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I use kick as first skill on a skaven thrower. He gets the skill easier than a lino. Skaven need kick, so i like to have it fast, as the gr are a true force early on. Passing skills on a skaven team are not a nescessity. Its almost the same with humans or orc, but i would never get kick on any Elf-Team. Maybe unless its a tourney, the other kicker died on the pitch and i desperatly need a kicker. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jul 07, 2006 - 14:56 |
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| sk8bcn wrote: | I seldom do start with a troll 4BOB 4 Blitzer and a thrower (that's cheatball). So I have a linos too(later on, this time, I mean).
I usually remove the thrower on defense, because I prefer to have a DP on pitch that I am going to use (if he is a kicker too, it's great).I may even remove 2 if needed (insane orks, only positionals on the field is too much but well, I am not game designer)
I also rarely don't have any KO or cas. I don't want to wait for 16 spps for my thrower to get kick. I wouldn't give my thrower kick, I confirm |
Hmm. Maybe I'll try that.
Actually, I don't think I've ever had a DP on the pitch. I have one but I don't think he's ever played.
Actually I have not got many kickers either. I know I should have one (and a DP) but I often only kick once in a game. If goes horribly wrong force them to score in two turns and resume normal service |
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Macavity
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
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Jul 07, 2006 - 15:46 |
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I always take two throwers (Orcs and Humans). One kicker, achieves it after Accurate and Block, assuming no doubles or Stat increase. I do not see the value of Safe Throw (ok, I do, but it rweally doean't come up much in my offensive schemes and isn't worth a skill), or Dump Off (as I don't play elves).
For humans especially, having a thrower out instead of a lino, just means a guy who can pick up the ball more easily, and tends to get Block more quickly. and the fact that you have much more movement than most opponents means Kick is very useful. |
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