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Quadros

Joined: Jul 09, 2006

Posted: Mar 09, 2008 - 18:30

I should mention that me and my mates get kind of in depth, with rules for transfers, Sacking the head coach (if your FF goes to 0 you get sacked and another previously sacked coach gets your old job (and team! have to wait for another coach to get sacked and then take over their team etc) and a myriad of other rules. One of them is you have to make a match report/list of excuses after each match. Here are some made against my Khemri team.

Pro Elves

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The cataphracts and Khemri based teams in general are overly powerful and have an unfair advantage, suggest league commissioner looks into handicapping blatent unfairness.

Orcs

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Dese skellingtons are way to powerful and shuld be handicapped/culled

Humans

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Khemri based teams are unfairly powerful and make the sport as a whole less entertaining.

High Elves

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An undead team capable of a passing game is rediculously over powered, suggest commisionary interfearence to reset balance

Now I know for a fact that most of these guys are doing the politicing and moaning famed of the managers in our native Premiership football league, but still no smoke without fire. I think they honestly believe that my AG 2, MA 5 team is over powered. It may be because after four games I'm 9-2 on touchdowns and haven't lost, and am therefore at the top of the twelve team league. It may be because I've killed three players. Still, do they have a point? or do I have a right to laugh at such a ridiculous notion?

Hogshine

Joined: Apr 04, 2007

Posted: Mar 09, 2008 - 18:34

You have a right to laugh Very Happy

Synn

Joined: Dec 13, 2004

Posted: Mar 09, 2008 - 18:34

You do this to them.

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nin

Joined: May 27, 2005

Posted: Mar 09, 2008 - 18:41

transfers
khemri base
an undead tean capable of a passing game
are youplaying with some kind of 4 Mummies, bunch of skeletons and a couple of gutterruners thing?
if so they may have a point
if not, no, they haven't

Lakvin

Joined: Nov 08, 2005

Posted: Mar 09, 2008 - 18:48

I would direct them to www.kleenex.com

kn00b

Joined: Jan 23, 2008

Posted: Mar 09, 2008 - 18:54

khemri are the target of a lot of moaning because they really aren't any fun. Either the khemri win by killing the opposition, or they lose by failing a pickup or two - either way that's not fun for one of you. It's more or less the same with most bashy teams - you win easiest by destroying the other team, which means there will be moaning.

Khemri have been taken down a notch in subsequent editions of bbowl 'official' rules. The big guys at least think they're a bit overpowered. I don't see them as overpowered, just really, really boring.

Quadros

Joined: Jul 09, 2006

Posted: Mar 10, 2008 - 05:22

See I don't think they're boring at all to play with. The hilarity of a passing game at AG2 is not to be underestimated, especially if it works. My games tend to go something like this:

I kick: set up four mummies on the LOS, opponent sets up to avoid them as much as possible, leaving a gaping hole in the centre of their set up. They instead try to smash a hole in the flank to run in, and the thrower/running back retrieves the ball in the back field. I utilise the hole they leave to blitz the ball carrier with either a blitz-ra, mummy or skele (depending on how deep the thrower is). Mad scramble for the ball entails, and I generally force it over the line.

I recieve: I look like I'm forming a cage when in fact I'm drawing the opponents into a massive scrap in the middle of the park. When everyone's involved I launch the ball in the general direction of a blitz-ra who's managed to keep himself just about clear of the scrum, not really caring if he catches it or not, as long as it's in his vague vicinity and there's no way the opposition can easily retrieve it before I do. Mad scramble ensues, which i generally win and score.

These games aren't boring, they're dramatic and high tension games and all the more exciting for it. Your arguement that 'bashy teams make for boring games' is ridiculous in my opinion. I mean how much more fun is 'pick up on a two, pass on a two, catch on a two, dodge on a two, gfi, gfi, TD'?

As for nin's question; The list of teams we can transfer bwtween is tightly regulated, and I can only buy players from Undead and Necromantic teams, niether of which are represented in the league. (Although I would love a werewolf...). Furthermore if you sell a player he still counts towards you limit to that position, so if I had four mummies and I sold one to a necromantic team, I could only have 3 until he (re)died or retired.

kn00b

Joined: Jan 23, 2008

Posted: Mar 10, 2008 - 06:19

well the high probability plays don't always work. especially when you throw in things like pass block, shadowing, diving tackle, etc. I'll admit that it's preference - I like games that end 5-4 with a lot of risky things going on. I don't like when games end 1-0 and there's nothing you can do about it. I tend to think the bashy game is 'safe' because it's built around low-risk drives, with only two die blocks and a single pickup. There's very little room to adapt in that case - the idea is to force your opponent's hand, and if a few bodies hit the CAS box there's nothing you can do to prevent the inevitable turn eight score. Booooring.
In an elf vs. skaven game, for instance, it's more about adapting your defensive setup and trying to defend against a highly likely two turn score - learning your opponent, trying to pick off his danger players, trying a few 4+ dodges to get to his thrower before he can chuck it, etc. In my mind it's a little more in depth - I feel these games are determined more by reaction and less by statistics. Bashy teams win on numbers, you see - who has more guard/mighty blow/claw/AV (and ultimately players on the field) whereas scoring teams win on reaction and a little bit of guts. Khemri are especially boring because if they fall behind by two TD's there's next to no way they can claw it back - they don't have enough MA and ball handling ability. With skaven, you never really know (unless you kill them all).

If you play Khemri to win, seriously, you play to KILL. If you win, it's done by reducing your opponent to ruin. Which you might think is great, but don't be surprised when the moaning happens. Khemri have been a hot topic in BBRC land and they've modified them considerably - which to me indicates that many people felt they were a problem team.

zzabur

Joined: Mar 05, 2008

Posted: Mar 10, 2008 - 06:40

i dont allow khem or ogre in the league i run because theyre just boring. simple as that. well, orges arent that boring, i just find them to be a stupid 'joke' team. khemri however, are just that: boring.

Joined: Sep 22, 2005

Posted: Mar 10, 2008 - 06:58

At low levels with 4 mb they are pretty powerful. You don't want to be rookie woodies vs a Khemri coach that knows what he is doing. At around 200 they kinda peak out. More skills than dp is not neccessary on a skellie and it is capable of mauling a legend.

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clarkin

Joined: Oct 15, 2007

Posted: Mar 10, 2008 - 12:26

sounds like fun. I hope in your match reports you are mocking them because you are outpassing them with agi2, outrunning them with ma5, and out-casing them with av7?

btw I wouldn't set up the 4 mummies on the LOS except at very low TRs. when an opponent khemri does that to me it's a free gang-knock down and gang foul on one of the corner ones Very Happy

you'll have a lot of trouble if a mummy becomes a casualty, best to hand them 3 skeletons to punch and use the 4 mummies spread across the pitch 3-4 squares back. (it's ok at low TR when you don't have 15 players)