SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Nov 08, 2013 - 12:00 |
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Hi FUMBBL!
Recently sonrises made a blog post of the TOP25 coaches of 2013, which I really liked to
browse and inspired me to apply to the next Ranked minor tournament.
It also inspired me to make another top list for which I was curious for a long time. I decided to anounce the All-Time TOP12 masters of each race for both Ranked and Blackbox.
How can someone be a master? Well, the coach has to have a lot of matches of a particular race. Besides, he should have a good win/draw/loss ratio. In addition, the coach should also have a fair CR value. By checking the various results with my subjective senses I decided to use the following formula:
Weight = Played · Record%² · (CR-100)² / 100
The data came from the Coach Ranking page, and the weights were calculated for the TOP100 played coaces by race and division.
Enjoy the browsing!
Amazon:
- Ranked: puppolo, Dhaktokh, liquidorange, PigStar-69, Yuzi, keltic_dragon, Tymless, Cloggy, Cryo, Jokaero, Wreckage, blocknroll
- Blackbox: KFoged, puppolo, Qaz, chaoszwerg2001, BillBrasky, Endzone, vaclav, Elyoukey, bghandras, andr_e, Cryo, Altonator
Chaos:
- Ranked: Qaz, Jesperius, BillBrasky, Synn, BattleLore, PurpleChest, KhornedBeef, Spot, PigStar-69, j0de, Chainsaw, BudSpencer
- Blackbox: BillBrasky, KenThis, RandomOracle, KhornedBeef, Calcium, jean-michel, tykoonfranky, pythrr, DukeTyrion, JimmyFantastic, Ignaz, Sammler_der_Seelen
Chaos Dwarf:
- Ranked: PurpleChest, Cloggy, Mak666, Qaz, Malmir, Purplegoo, Punk77, Yuzi, Gromrilram, gansus, Jesperius, Synn
- Blackbox: Ignaz, Azure, jean-michel, Qaz, BillBrasky, pythrr, Slex, KhornedBeef, JimmyFantastic, anisdrin, latulike, jundru
Chaos Pact:
- Ranked: Cloggy, liquidorange, Quinn, CCSenor, JackassRampant, Cyrus-Havoc, JmBeers, PigStar-69, BiBi, Rat_Salat, jarvis_pants, Gilga
- Blackbox: smallman, Wreckage, BillBrasky, pythrr, Sammler_der_Seelen, Cryo, Azure, Smashak, stboub, blackGigio, KhornedBeef, bassista
Dwarf:
- Ranked: pythrr, PurpleChest, Azure, Woodstock, Qaz, keltic_dragon, puppolo, Jesperius, PigStar-69, stboub, PeteW, iena
- Blackbox: PurpleChest, Jesperius, DukeTyrion, postamassimo, PigStar-69, KhornedBeef, anisdrin, Cavetroll, BudSpencer, madbone, pythrr, Spot
Dark Elf:
- Ranked: Malmir, PigStar-69, p4m, Cryo, JockMcRowdy, Synn, Quaruk, PeteW, Jan-Erik, Woodstock, deferr, C3I2
- Blackbox: kingvan, BillBrasky, jimjo, Elyoukey, p4m, PurpleChest, HarpoHarvesterOfSorrow, Estremo, Azure, KFoged, doclystria, Altonator
Elf:
- Ranked: Dolls, Cloggy, Gary_Gygax, Mr_Foulscumm, Chewie, Azure, pizzamogul, Nightbreed, Manbush, JockMcRowdy, Relezite, PigStar-69
- Blackbox: Dolls, Elyoukey, BillBrasky, Aflo, Azure, chaoszwerg2001, Wreckage, Garion, BooAhl, rafadavila, Frankenstein, oryx
Goblin:
- Ranked: Motskari, The_Provocateur, DukeTyrion, Gary_Gygax, Fanatic, Cloggy, morehouse, OldBugman, Burnalot, MerryZ, originalfrankster, Mossbeard
- Blackbox: uzkulak, gabeln, KhornedBeef, rafadavila, Kryten, BillBrasky, gregkubly, Ehlers, Calthor, Apojar, DukeTyrion, CCSenor
Halfling:
- Ranked: jarvis_pants, Zed, Garion, Burnalot, BillBrasky, DukeTyrion, Cloggy, akaRenton, iena, Sutej, Relezite, On1
- Blackbox: CCSenor, BillBrasky, Azure, somertown, Topper, geff, rodders-23, andr_e, Menzogna, Bert, gabeln, PacoSillas
High Elf:
- Ranked: KFoged, JockMcRowdy, PigStar-69, Purplegoo, Nightbreed, Synn, Nyberg, Wreckage, SvenS, Cloggy, MerryZ, Kahvie
- Blackbox: Wreckage, BillBrasky, SvenS, Nyberg, DatMonsta, OenarLod, DukeTyrion, PurpleChest, jimjo, Ignaz, Garion, wintergreen13
Human:
- Ranked: Diddyboy, Ludovicious, PurpleChest, PigStar-69, Calcium, iena, lizvis, keltic_dragon, Jan-Erik, jimjo, Jesperius, PainState
- Blackbox: OenarLod, PacoSillas, CCSenor, Aflo, Dunenzed, the_cursed_one, doclystria, The_Murker, Ludovicious, wintergreen13, Azure, iena
Khemri:
- Ranked: Jesperius, PigStar-69, Burnalot, Calcium, Cloggy, Lewdgrip, brain01, Jan-Erik, Carlo_Pellegatti, LoboBlanco, puppolo, the_cursed_one
- Blackbox: bigGuy, Jesperius, Estremo, Wreckage, the_cursed_one, Azure, Slex, vaclav, Chainsaw, Beerox, Mateuszzzzzz, KhornedBeef
Lizardman:
- Ranked: The_Provocateur, Quaruk, stuelle2, Ulrik, lizvis, Aflo, the_Sage, anisdrin, madbone, Woodstock, GreenAvenger, BudSpencer
- Blackbox: cameronhawkins, Elyoukey, Hitonagashi, Ulrik, anisdrin, lizvis, okostomi, BooAhl, Aflo, BudSpencer, riccardob, JimmyFantastic
Necromantic:
- Ranked: Chainsaw, Kenty, JockMcRowdy, The_Provocateur, PigStar-69, Mihme, ErobererZim, Stanley, Nightbreed, Toombs, Jesperius, originalfrankster
- Blackbox: HarpoHarvesterOfSorrow, Frail, BooAhl, Elyoukey, Kimahr1, doclystria, JockMcRowdy, Eusebio, Gilga, Smashak, Topper, shogun_france
Norse:
- Ranked: Mak666, PigStar-69, Ludovicious, Arktoris, Synn, Cloggy, DukeTyrion, Jesperius, Gezzo, puppolo, Hollaender, iena
- Blackbox: DukeTyrion, Balle2000, jarvis_pants, nThatch, JockMcRowdy, somertown, Menzogna, Ludovicious, Wreckage, Aflo, huff, Yuzi
Nurgle:
- Ranked: Cloggy, PigStar-69, RobRoyDuncan, Tauro, Ehlers, vicius, stboub, Rumanski, Fanatic, originalfrankster, On1, Dhaktokh
- Blackbox: DukeTyrion, KhornedBeef, JimmyFantastic, Malmir, Xxirr, stboub, BudSpencer, fxiii, Slex, goffmogg, Endzone, anisdrin
Ogre:
- Ranked: Jesperius, gkornecki, vicius, pizzamogul, Cloggy, Ryld, Wreckage, Dragons, Tauro, Dhaktokh, spubbbba, maysrill
- Blackbox: Jesperius, gabeln, gkornecki, vicius, Tauro, rafadavila, kingvan, Gary_Gygax, Jokaero, BudSpencer, jimjo, Altonator
Orc:
- Ranked: Jesperius, Malmir, PurpleChest, PigStar-69, lizvis, Chainsaw, BattleLore, Cloggy, BooAhl, iena, RandomOracle, stboub
- Blackbox: Endzone, PurpleChest, Faxa, Sammler_der_Seelen, jimjo, ButtonToo, lizvis, Liam_Gallagher, pythrr, madbone, iena, DukeTyrion
Skaven:
- Ranked: p4m, Fanatic, PigStar-69, Skeloboy, BooAhl, NoeLdeBenedict, jimjo, deferr, Panda_, madvig, Flix, Tauro
- Blackbox: Panda_, DukeTyrion, Azure, jimjo, lukoshiukas, fabienL, JockMcRowdy, Slex, smallman, Flix, jundru, BiBi
Slann:
- Ranked: Nestoroide, CroixFer, Cloggy, anisdrin, happygrue, the_Sage, DocMaXX, MRnobody, NoeLdeBenedict, jimjo, MerryZ, PigStar-69
- Blackbox: Nestoroide, Wreckage, jimjo, happygrue, Topper, vicius, smallman, zenken5ten, Emeric, Purplegoo, Dolls, BooAhl
Undead:
- Ranked: Prez, Liam_Gallagher, PigStar-69, Manbush, Nyberg, robocoyote, Synn, puppolo, Tensai, Fukara, lizvis, p4m
- Blackbox: jimjo, Fukara, madbone, RocketMan, cedric19, Sammler_der_Seelen, BillBrasky, Tymless, Elyoukey, Foug, pythrr, puppolo
Underworld:
- Ranked: Ryld, Cloggy, Nestoroide, Prez, The_Provocateur, Kaltenland, andr_e, Sammler_der_Seelen, SiPa, Tyridium, icesmooth, Chainchoker
- Blackbox: Nestoroide, Fanatic, Sammler_der_Seelen, BudSpencer, cameronhawkins, Hitonagashi, Nelphine, Helgunar, andr_e, Tauro, dynamo380, ersatzniere
Vampire:
- Ranked: The_Provocateur, Burnalot, Cloggy, Fanatic, vicius, klas, Nightbreed, stuelle2, drunkagent, Cadwallon, CroixFer, Purplegoo
- Blackbox: kingvan, azyx, KhornedBeef, Tricktickler, burbi, BillBrasky, jdvmat, vicius, shoebdoo, DukeTyrion, jundru, PitCreature
Wood Elf:
- Ranked: PigStar-69, shusaku, NoeLdeBenedict, Mr_Launcher, morehouse, Gary_Gygax, Purplegoo, Nestoroide, JockMcRowdy, Frankenstein, Tymless, liquidorange
- Blackbox: shusaku, DukeTyrion, p4m, BillBrasky, Endzone, Azure, rafadavila, fabienL, andr_e, Kryten, somertown, BiBi
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Rabe
Joined: Jun 06, 2009
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:00 |
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Great list! Helps a lot to determine who's replays to watch to learn something about a certain race.
Thanks for the work!
(For some reason I hardly doubt I'll ever appear on such a list... ) |
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Woodstock
Joined: Dec 11, 2004
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:02 |
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Awesome! I even got 3 entries, didn't expect that. |
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zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:12 |
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lol i thought this was about this etzel dude complaining about fumbbl mods
nice work, although the games played might have too much weight. Also the CR with the latest formula is very volatile. |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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Loving this, and thanks for your work.
It has everything i love: Numbers, but slightly hidden. Formulas derived from gut instinct. lists of people i might have heard of. Depth, i mean FEEL that depth, wow.
Proper lovely, well done.
But i sense its accuracy might not be to the level you might wish.
one entry caught my eye, which is Dorfs. I quite like Dorfs, and i flatter myself i am no mug with them. There are probably better Dorf coaches out there, but its the only race where I'd include the word 'probably' in the sentence.
And the list is all the people I'd expect. And pythrr.
pythrr is the top defining master of R Dorf play? In what world? in whose fevered imagination?
the Dorf R entry reads like this:
List of fruit: CHAIR, Orange, Apple, grape, pineapple.
Something ain't right. |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:31 |
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@zakatan: Thanks for the feedback. Yep the played games have too much weight. Thanks for pointing it out since I had the same feeling. However, I was intebded to award activity, but we are talking about skills here ain't we? What about the following formula?
log(Played) · Record%
I show you some examples:
Necro R: 'Chainsaw, The_Provocateur, PigStar-69, JockMcRowdy, Mihme, Jesperius, ErobererZim, Stanley, Zarathustra, originalfrankster, Nightbreed, Cavetroll' (Kenty is 23rd).
Dwarf R: 'PurpleChest, pythrr, Azure, Woodstock, PigStar-69, PeteW, puppolo, Jesperius, keltic_dragon, Qaz, morehouse, stboub'
Here are the weights of Dwarf R, new formula:
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Nick G W% CR Weight
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PurpleChest 271 76 158.75 -> 425
pythrr 242 75 166.77 -> 411
Azure 127 81 171.98 -> 392
Woodstock 221 68 163.85 -> 367
PigStar-69 153 73 162.14 -> 367
PeteW 92 80 169.18 -> 361
puppolo 231 66 162.56 -> 359
Jesperius 131 73 168.04 -> 355
keltic_dragon 368 60 155.65 -> 354
Qaz 277 63 161.16 -> 354
morehouse 185 68 155.53 -> 354
stboub 180 66 163.08 -> 342
Cloggy 117 71 166.7 -> 338
iena 162 66 161.78 -> 335
azyx 288 59 146.27 -> 334
liquidorange 59 82 165.15 -> 334
Synn 96 73 165.89 -> 333
klas 222 60 149.4 -> 324
p4m 91 71 162.5 -> 320
Lewdgrip 408 53 147.57 -> 318
lindez 156 63 150.87 -> 318
Tauro 132 65 158.1 -> 317
Nuwanda 285 56 151.78 -> 316
ibar 139 64 155.83 -> 315
JockMcRowdy 109 67 162.04 -> 314
KhornedBeef 135 64 161.7 -> 313
Fanatic 85 70 160.55 -> 310
Fukara 60 75 159.59 -> 307
Jokaero 241 55 156.29 -> 301
anisdrin 74 70 159.09 -> 301
BudSpencer 163 59 155.96 -> 300
calvofai 58 74 159.14 -> 300
Gezzo 81 68 163.05 -> 298
Moses 225 55 150.7 -> 297
soranos 80 68 157.83 -> 297
Zarathustra 89 66 160.46 -> 296
Afro 61 72 158.59 -> 295
maysrill 147 59 149.94 -> 294
mr-maverick 128 60 154.07 -> 291
Arktoris 180 56 151.84 -> 290
PoderRojo 94 64 155.7 -> 290
Wreckage 84 65 154.26 -> 288
Tymless 94 63 158.28 -> 286
Sigmar1 77 66 158.84 -> 286
vaclav 60 69 159.0 -> 282
Candlejack 167 55 148.92 -> 281
Smashak 150 56 155.19 -> 280
lizvis 67 65 157.47 -> 273
BattleLore 59 67 155.48 -> 273
Ammozz 78 62 157.81 -> 270
Brainsaw 66 64 154.77 -> 268
Frankenstein 62 65 161.8 -> 268
KenThis 117 56 156.75 -> 266
dreadlord 68 63 155.89 -> 265
Mateuszzzzzz 75 61 156.13 -> 263
Araushnar 56 65 161.69 -> 261
zoliak 67 62 158.28 -> 260
BlodgeyDocker 68 61 153.38 -> 257
Cyrus-Havoc 60 63 157.68 -> 257
Thunder_Crack 100 55 151.13 -> 253
Drrek 85 56 151.39 -> 248
Mr_Foulscumm 94 54 158.04 -> 245
StanRichardson 201 46 153.47 -> 243
Shinan 149 48 147.43 -> 240
Spot 75 55 152.74 -> 237
Doomington 124 49 147.54 -> 236
dadoz 177 45 146.98 -> 232
Frostitute 104 50 153.41 -> 232
Mr_Launcher 71 54 149.07 -> 230
CIC 74 51 148.06 -> 219
djutog 63 52 155.35 -> 215
Coach_Lo 58 53 145.63 -> 215
Apojar 213 40 146.18 -> 214
Vesto 127 44 144.47 -> 213
tribalsinner 68 50 156.79 -> 210
Faxa 806 31 147.37 -> 207
moto_rioshi 61 50 148.34 -> 205
Nacxit 93 44 146.6 -> 199
EnglishJake 64 48 148.75 -> 199
Nafets 101 43 154.5 -> 198
DevilsReflexPox 56 49 148.99 -> 197
Xeterog 117 41 143.72 -> 195
Pirigin 92 43 145.71 -> 194
bayernkini 87 43 146.91 -> 192
AdyBrooke 70 45 150.61 -> 191
tragedy4you 59 47 147.03 -> 191
Iron-Fist 58 46 149.08 -> 186
fredde_e 104 40 143.88 -> 185
Lord_Aku 103 40 146.36 -> 185
Eressunasar 96 40 144.34 -> 182
grant85 112 38 142.94 -> 179
Demolitionman 103 37 136.43 -> 171
Rabe 164 33 130.56 -> 168
NickNutria 121 34 142.56 -> 163
Markinthepast 171 31 141.24 -> 159
Borjiwan 64 38 147.67 -> 158
Jaxli 62 36 142.94 -> 148
MonkeyMan576 115 31 138.6 -> 147
zippo 73 32 142.12 -> 137
WildAnimal 96 29 133.75 -> 132
Chankas 101 18 131.99 -> 83
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I hope PC is satisfied now! If you like this better i will update the list with the new formula. |
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vaclav
Joined: Mar 21, 2009
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:33 |
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I am not on a chaos dwarf list and i am more than a year nb1 chaos dwarff player in R and combined? Pffff... |
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Nickpcr
Joined: Oct 28, 2010
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:35 |
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Personally I think for more accurate results you should only count a coaches results after the first 50 or 100 of their games in a certain race. The current best Wood Elf coach may have lost their corset 50 before they cracked it.
But I love good list! Thanks for this. |
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dabassman
Joined: Feb 17, 2006
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:36 |
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Rabe, you're on the list! |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:36 |
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CD R, new formula: 'PurpleChest, Mak666, Malmir, Cloggy, Qaz, gansus, Wreckage, Purplegoo, vaclav, Jesperius, Nekross, BattleLore' |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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Must have forgot smileys
I was mostly jesting good sir.
(but pythrr is rubbish) |
_________________ Barbarus hic ego sum, quia non intelligor illis -Ovid
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:43 |
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Another (maybe the best one, not because I want vaclav happy but he has right): log(Played) * Record%²
CD R:
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Nick G W% CR Weight
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PurpleChest 665 80 160.77 -> 41598
Malmir 172 80 163.51 -> 32943
gansus 87 82 173.1 -> 30028
vaclav 69 84 176.27 -> 29875
Mak666 817 66 158.45 -> 29209
DukeTyrion 72 81 163.49 -> 28059
BattleLore 90 78 167.25 -> 27376
Wreckage 139 73 158.95 -> 26295
PigStar-69 72 78 167.26 -> 26019
Cloggy 677 63 169.05 -> 25868
Jesperius 138 72 165.64 -> 25542
Qaz 411 65 156.42 -> 25428
PeteW 66 77 168.11 -> 24840
Purplegoo 176 69 168.22 -> 24616
jimjo 63 76 161.29 -> 23930
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Wood Elf B:
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Nick G W% CR Weight
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Endzone 82 87 172.86 -> 33354
rafadavila 83 81 172.01 -> 28992
BiBi 60 83 167.76 -> 28205
shusaku 587 66 159.55 -> 27769
p4m 257 70 158.77 -> 27190
DukeTyrion 296 69 157.99 -> 27091
Azure 131 73 163.61 -> 25979
fabienL 128 73 163.9 -> 25856
JockMcRowdy 44 81 163.67 -> 24828
Malmir 58 78 162.39 -> 24703
Purplegoo 56 77 163.53 -> 23866
huff 81 73 162.12 -> 23418
BillBrasky 406 62 150.79 -> 23088
andr_e 125 69 166.31 -> 22987
Elyoukey 82 72 160.31 -> 22844
somertown 133 67 158.39 -> 21952
jimjo 70 71 164.21 -> 21416
PurpleChest 52 73 159.13 -> 21056
magikmoon 38 76 161.4 -> 21010
Pedroas 57 71 155.22 -> 20381
Garion 59 70 156.73 -> 19979
Kryten 214 61 155.51 -> 19966
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Necro R:
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Nick G W% CR Weight
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Chainsaw 432 77 172.52 -> 35979
The_Provocateur 243 79 173.3 -> 34282
PigStar-69 157 80 169.68 -> 32359
Jesperius 107 79 167.06 -> 29163
Zarathustra 85 80 165.63 -> 28432
JockMcRowdy 437 66 165.49 -> 26484
originalfrankster 121 74 163.88 -> 26261
Cavetroll 74 78 160.2 -> 26185
Mihme 341 67 155.74 -> 26179
ErobererZim 198 69 165.49 -> 25177
Nyberg 60 78 165.4 -> 24909
cedric19 77 75 166.17 -> 24433
licker 68 76 162.04 -> 24371
Severedunit 73 75 164.67 -> 24133
Afro 70 74 159.7 -> 23264
Stanley 282 64 155.01 -> 23109
Jokaero 54 75 159.41 -> 22438
Cloggy 105 69 164.28 -> 22157
puppolo 151 66 159.68 -> 21855
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Dwarf R for same one: 'PurpleChest, Azure, pythrr, PeteW, liquidorange, PigStar-69, Jesperius, Woodstock, Synn, morehouse, Cloggy, puppolo'
Please give me some feedbacks if you thing this is more close to reality! Thanks! |
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sonrises
Joined: May 02, 2013
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:43 |
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SzieberthAdam wrote: | Hi FUMBBL!
Recently sonrises made a blog post of the TOP25 coaches of 2013, which I really liked to
browse and inspired me to apply to the next Ranked minor tournament.
It also inspired me to make another top list for which I was curious for a long time. I decided to anounce the All-Time TOP12 masters of each race for both Ranked and Blackbox. |
Hi,
Brilliant job! Count on me to be following your thread!
Thx for the nice comments too.
Cya. |
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Nickpcr
Joined: Oct 28, 2010
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Nov 08, 2013 - 13:56 |
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It is good to see that I - Nick - am above ALL of these coaches on every list! I always knew I was the best! |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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i think any way you get the list is interesting, but im not sure what reality you are trying to get to.
Just taking Dorfs, how do you adjust for the number of games played in Tournaments, which have 0% chance of a draw. What about Azure's team, does it count as Dwarf? How much had i been smoking when playing any game? How much had PeteW been praying? How old are their teams? Some excell at rinse and repeat teams lasting only 6-10 games. Some play old old teams that will go through fallow periods. How much is CRP/LRB 4? And CR nowadays is about as stable as a 14yr old One Direction fan upon hearing they all died in a plane crash.
So, your list is fun, enjoyable and pretty. Everyone will love it. It is 'a' reality. But i'd give up on the search for 'the' reality if i were you. |
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