SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
|
 Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 10:36 |
 
|
Just to keep the pot boiling I take issue with....
| Quote: | | have a strong grounding in probability |
I disagree with this. You need a primary school grounding in statistics to deal with bloodbowl, each actual event is quite simple to calculate. Granted probability dosent move on much until you get past the start of A-level but its not exactly a strong grounding... |
_________________
Putting the "eh?" back into Sexeh.
"There are those to whom knowledge is a shield. There are those to whom it is a weapon. Neither view is balanced." |
|
Russo
Joined: Apr 11, 2006
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 10:46 |
|
| SillySod wrote: |
I disagree with this. You need a primary school grounding in statistics to deal with bloodbowl |
Is that why you stuggle so much on FUMBBL then  |
_________________
BAAA means NO!
[21:35] <@Purp|away> why is it whenever I come to check the PC, Russo is lowering the tone?!
================================
[22:59] <princevaliant> NBL has gotten to be such a dirty channel
[22:59] <princevaliant> ty Russo 
BiggieB is my idol |
|
vanGorn
Joined: Feb 24, 2004
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 12:16 |
|
Well, knowing about the probabilities is one matter. The other matter is to overcome the urge to play on a gut level. |
_________________
Gimme a pint of fungus beer!
Then we will climb the ladder.
 |
|
Hogshine
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 13:44 |
|
Nah, gut level works best for me with Khemri. My gut instinct is to hit things, and that's all my khemri do. Plus, they're better at picking up the ball than most Ag4 teams currently |
|
|
Hogshine
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 13:49 |
|
| Quote: | | Mummies: I go for Guard and Tackle first of all. |
Are we ignoring block here? 
With my Khemri at the moment, I basically do the same as you have said in this. However, I'm about to try and use blitz-ras solely for blitzing and breaking through, and keep thro-ras for ball carrying etc, until I'm at their endzone if I feel like doing some farming, or am running out of time to score.
Nice guide, liked the pictures. They've given me some more ideas for helping my defensive play, so thanks! |
|
|
vanGorn
Joined: Feb 24, 2004
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 13:53 |
|
Yay, khemri work quite well on a gut level. Maybe that's because their guts are either rotten away or kept separate pickled in a jar. |
_________________
Gimme a pint of fungus beer!
Then we will climb the ladder.
|
|
Hayati
Joined: Nov 07, 2006
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 17:50 |
|
| SillySod wrote: | Just to keep the pot boiling I take issue with....
| Quote: | | have a strong grounding in probability |
I disagree with this. You need a primary school grounding in statistics to deal with bloodbowl, each actual event is quite simple to calculate. Granted probability dosent move on much until you get past the start of A-level but its not exactly a strong grounding... |
Many of us can say the probability of a given event happening is say 70%...but how many of us can then explain precisely what this means?!! And better, apply that knowledge?
Probability is only really of use over the long term- it don't help so much for a single event. Actually, it don't help at all
|
_________________
"Hear me now!
All crimes should be treasured if they give thee
Pleasure somehow!" |
|
Hayati
Joined: Nov 07, 2006
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 17:52 |
|
| Hogshine wrote: | | Quote: | | Mummies: I go for Guard and Tackle first of all. |
Are we ignoring block here?
With my Khemri at the moment, I basically do the same as you have said in this. However, I'm about to try and use blitz-ras solely for blitzing and breaking through, and keep thro-ras for ball carrying etc, until I'm at their endzone if I feel like doing some farming, or am running out of time to score.
Nice guide, liked the pictures. They've given me some more ideas for helping my defensive play, so thanks! |
Sorry, I forgot to mention Block as it is the thing that everyone will take...have changed it to say so now! |
_________________
"Hear me now!
All crimes should be treasured if they give thee
Pleasure somehow!" |
|
SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 18:38 |
|
| Prasomchai wrote: | | SillySod wrote: | Just to keep the pot boiling I take issue with....
| Quote: | | have a strong grounding in probability |
I disagree with this. You need a primary school grounding in statistics to deal with bloodbowl, each actual event is quite simple to calculate. Granted probability dosent move on much until you get past the start of A-level but its not exactly a strong grounding... |
Many of us can say the probability of a given event happening is say 70%...but how many of us can then explain precisely what this means?!! And better, apply that knowledge?
Probability is only really of use over the long term- it don't help so much for a single event. Actually, it don't help at all
|
I disagree with most of that.
Sure you might have to do a few sums but most of them are really easy. The rest are handled by your brain as "tactics & strategy" so require having a grounding in bloodbowl rather than probability (and even less so, statistics, now that would be hardcore).
I think most people "know" what 70% means or (in other words) have a "feel" for whats right and whats not. |
_________________
Putting the "eh?" back into Sexeh.
"There are those to whom knowledge is a shield. There are those to whom it is a weapon. Neither view is balanced." |
|
Hayati
Joined: Nov 07, 2006
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 18:42 |
|
| SillySod wrote: | | I think most people "know" what 70% means |
Enlighten us dude |
_________________
"Hear me now!
All crimes should be treasured if they give thee
Pleasure somehow!" |
|
erzkanzler
Joined: Dec 05, 2005
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 19:02 |
|
The glass is half full? More so than half empty? |
_________________
... |
|
erzkanzler
Joined: Dec 05, 2005
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 19:05 |
|
Also there is conclusive evidence that points to the fact that 70% is the figure that people are most likely to believe in bogus on the fly made up statistics.
Did you know that 70% of all the people reading this, will believe this to be true? |
_________________
... |
|
SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 19:13 |
|
I'll supply a more precise (but prolly fudged) version complete with a few bits added on to say what I think most people substitute in for the technical terms (when they think about it, not having learnt the technical terms dosent mean that you dont know it).
Without context I'd desribe it as an event or collection of sample points (an outcome, such as the flip of a bias coin getting heads) which has a probability measure of 0.7 (chance of occuring is 7/10) given Kolmogorov's axioms (which basicly say that something must happen, the chances are between 1 and 0, and something about all the numbers have to add up if they dont cross).
With context (i.e. in bloodbowl) I'd define it as the chance of something succeding or failing to achieve a particular in-game objective (maybe knocking a player over or scoring) and then it'd have a whole bunch more meaning based on the relative risks and rewards.
I don't think many (if any) players think beyond multiplying probabilities, not in a mathematical sense anyway (which is what you'd need a strong grounding in probability to do). If any player were to try and use statistical method to aid their bloodbowl (or analyse it) then I'd be truly impressed.
For the record, I dont have a good grounding in probability (much less statistics) but I think I have more than plenty for bloodbowl. |
_________________
Putting the "eh?" back into Sexeh.
"There are those to whom knowledge is a shield. There are those to whom it is a weapon. Neither view is balanced." |
|
vanGorn
Joined: Feb 24, 2004
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 20:06 |
|
Back on the khemri topic: Are there any counter tactics against them?
If ball handling is their weakest spot, then it seems manifest to approach and bring down their ball carrier as soon as possible. Force them to pick up that ball again and again even with your last man standing. |
_________________
Gimme a pint of fungus beer!
Then we will climb the ladder.
|
|
Nazdakka
Joined: Dec 21, 2007
|
| Posted:
Jan 19, 2008 - 20:19 |
|
On defence: Have a player with Kick, send the ball deep, and try to nail the ball carrier before the Mummies can protect him, or at least force the cage to form deep. Also, if the Mummies lack break tackle, they can be tied down quite nicely by bunging someone expendable in front of them and shifting the focus of play to somewhere else on the pitch. You want to avoid fighting against the Mummies and scrap with the skellies. |
|
|
|
|
Gnome Roster - how a...
Search
