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| Do you want BR in the Formula? |
| Yes - And if it is removed, I will likely leave Blackbox |
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4% |
[ 10 ] |
| Yes - But I would play Blackbox regardless |
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23% |
[ 53 ] |
| No - But I would play Blackbox regardless |
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39% |
[ 91 ] |
| No - And if it remains, I will likely leave Blackbox |
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20% |
[ 48 ] |
| Unsure - I have not decided, or do not understand BR |
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12% |
[ 28 ] |
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| Total Votes : 230 |
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Nov 14, 2008 - 18:50 |
 
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| DukeTyrion wrote: | | shadow46x2 wrote: | ...thankfully our system doesn't use one-off matches 
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The system is nothing more than a series of one off matches. |
i was referring to the APA system for pool..not fumbbl
--j |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 14, 2008 - 19:23 |
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just because I am a better chess player than my opponent, this should not mean I must play with only one bishop. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Nov 14, 2008 - 19:56 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | just because I am a better chess player than my opponent, this should not mean I must play with only one bishop. |
I rather like that.
Good show, old bean! |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Nov 14, 2008 - 20:15 |
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| harvestmouse wrote: | | Blackbox really is for the upper echelons of coaches getting fair games against each other. What is the appeal to lower cr coaches? |
[B]'s rapid and standardized matches are attractive, whatever your CR. |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Nov 14, 2008 - 20:16 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | just because I am a better chess player than my opponent, this should not mean I must play with only one bishop. |
On the other hand, in chess, you can't kill your opponent's pieces and force him to play down a piece next game. |
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nin
Joined: May 27, 2005
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Nov 14, 2008 - 20:29 |
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| westerner wrote: | | pythrr wrote: | | just because I am a better chess player than my opponent, this should not mean I must play with only one bishop. |
On the other hand, in chess, you can't kill your opponent's pieces and force him to play down a piece next game. |
By analogy, in this case he'd be playing against other team with fewer pieces (value) |
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Qaz
Joined: Apr 28, 2004
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Nov 14, 2008 - 22:52 |
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I thought that apart from preventing cherrypicking BlackBox a and especally the BlackBox Rating if it is implimated was to more accurate than [R] determen the best coaches. If we handicap coaching skills then it is kinda hard to determen the best. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Nov 14, 2008 - 23:34 |
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| Qaz wrote: | | I thought that apart from preventing cherrypicking BlackBox a and especally the BlackBox Rating if it is implimated was to more accurate than [R] determen the best coaches. If we handicap coaching skills then it is kinda hard to determen the best. |
No it would still be useful because you dont instantly drop all your BR whenever you lose a game High BR coaches would be those that can maintain a decent win rate despite being handicapped. |
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Cyco
Joined: Nov 30, 2003
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Nov 14, 2008 - 23:57 |
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| DukeTyrion wrote: | | Cyco wrote: | | Where is the "I dont mind" and "I want CR/BR separate" - choice? |
The 'I don't mind' was the last option, for people who didn't want to vote yes, or no.
The CR and BR are seperate, the BR just isn't visible as yet. |
Aha, then thats my choice.  |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 15, 2008 - 00:18 |
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| Purplegoo wrote: | | pythrr wrote: | | just because I am a better chess player than my opponent, this should not mean I must play with only one bishop. |
I rather like that.
Good show, old bean! |
Thanks. It is also a lie. I am terrible at chess. You can't foul things in chess. |
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Pirog
Joined: Jul 13, 2006
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Nov 15, 2008 - 00:18 |
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I think having BR as part of the balance formula completly defeats the purpose of the entire game. It's supposed to be a game of skills. Most of us knows that is not always the case, since the many dice rolls makes luck a big factor, but giving out handicaps due to the other coach being considered more skilled is ridiculous.
I will probably not play in Blackbox division if BR will be a factor in the match-ups. As someone pointed out, winning over a better coach due to getting a bunch of handicaps is not fun or developing. Playing better coaches on equal terms is the best way to actually get better at this game. |
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TheCetusProject
Joined: May 25, 2004
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Nov 15, 2008 - 00:44 |
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I don't really want a BR to be used in determining the matchups because it defeats the main competitive attraction: not to get a high BR over time, but to engage in a competition with somebody in which neither side is externally handicapped to try to determine who is better on the day.
On the other hand, one could argue that using BR tries to ensure that in every game you have to use the full extent of your abilities, so rather than just sitting back against a much weaker player and getting an easy win without having to concetrate very much, you always have to try hard. I can see this approach has some attractive properties. I, however, enjoy thrashing weaker players and getting thrashed by stronger players, so I don't care about this.
Further, I am not a very experienced all-round player, so my coaching skills vary wildly from race to race. If the system were to use the same BR for every team, it would start giving me supposedly fair games that I am not very likely to win. This might well make it much less fun to play the new race.
Finally, I would be concerned that this might influence desire to take risks to win a game. If I have the possibility of winning a match, but putting a key player at risk if it fails, I would always take the risk. If, on the other hand, I knew that my reward for winning would be a more difficult game next time, I might be tempted to play it safer.
Moving on, more importantly for me, if this BR has to exist then I strongly desire it to be hidden. The existence of CR spoils my entertainment in [R]. Further, in Blackbox I would be faced with the possibility of losing many rating points for a game I might consider to be very hard, and would find this annoying. In [R] I can avoid such a game, here I cannot. Playing matches in Blackbox without any league standings, tournament progression, or coach ranking, has made it much easier to enjoy the slaughterings and the bad luck games.
Conclusion: if BR is adjusted for race and kept hidden, I am likely to grumble but play. If BR is not adjusted by race but kept hidden, I'm not sure what I'd do. Finally, if I am told my BR, it is quite likely that I will return to the relative inaction of the last few months. |
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Peter_Thorpe
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
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Nov 15, 2008 - 01:13 |
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personally, i dont want BR affecting the game unless there is a MASSIVE gap between coaches skill levels, i wouldnt know what gap would be appropriate, but if your giving away 20+ BR to your opponent, then yeah maybe a little help would make it a bit more balanced
but im happy the way it is now |
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Symmetrical
Joined: Jan 15, 2005
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Nov 15, 2008 - 01:40 |
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I know this isnt the point, but if the idea was for th curent formula to yield a 50/50 win/los record, from a personal perspective its woking well so far, 10/3/10. Each time I win a couple, I seem to then lose the next few, or vice versa. Not saying this is good or bad, just observing that the system appears to be working as planned. |
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DukeTyrion
Joined: Feb 18, 2004
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Nov 17, 2008 - 13:35 |
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| koadah wrote: | This is an ALPHA system. Are you sure that all this discussion is not just over a bug?
Until Christer responds I charge Duke with scaremongering. |
Well, Christer has responded and it is now confirmed that BR is part of the matching formula.
It is also clear from this thread that most do not want BR in the formula.
However, it's Christer's decision at the end of the day, our choice is simply whether we play or not. |
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