Elvis_Maximus
Joined: Feb 15, 2008
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Mar 16, 2009 - 23:02 |
 
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Hello all, its happy funtime strategy question time!
I actually play in a Tabletop continuous league for LRB5. As a Chaos team in LRB5, I obviously need to rely on getting opponents off the pitch to win games. My first few games were total blow outs, mainly due to poor strategies on my parts. But lately I've been holding the games down a little better, usually losing by a touchdown (better than losing by 4 or 5 though, stupid strip ball+dodgy teams).
I haven't been fouling, which I think is definitely contributing to my problems. But with the added risk in LRB5 fouling, plus the nerfing of dirty player, what fouling strategy would you employ? Fouling fairly liberally, or making a few key fouls per game on their most dangerous players? What are your views on this?
As always thanks for the info, and may the blood of elves/rats fill the pitch/all your rolls be double six/etc. |
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Khudzlin
Joined: May 24, 2007
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Mar 16, 2009 - 23:12 |
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i'd say foul surgically (when there's something to be won from it) |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Mar 16, 2009 - 23:23 |
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foul whenever you have an even or better trade. That should be about all the time for SG/DP players. |
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Brown36
Joined: Feb 24, 2009
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Mar 16, 2009 - 23:24 |
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i foul players who are gonna kill my players, players who could get up & assist/block my ball carrier. Thats pretty much it, but maybe it's not in my nature to hit a guy who's down (repeatadly with tyre irons or otherwise)  |
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Mossbeard
Joined: Jul 03, 2005
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Mar 16, 2009 - 23:25 |
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I don't know much about LRB5 so i could be wrong here, but they eliminated IGMEOY so I think you should foul every turn. |
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Elvis_Maximus
Joined: Feb 15, 2008
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Mar 16, 2009 - 23:35 |
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| Mossbeard wrote: | | I don't know much about LRB5 so i could be wrong here, but they eliminated IGMEOY so I think you should foul every turn. |
Yeah they eliminated that and replaced it with "on any double roll (armor or injury) your player is ejected" which gives you a base chance of like.. 30-40% ejection on every foul, and dirty player doesn't reduce that chance anymore. In fact, dirty player is now (as far as I can tell) mighty blow for fouls (since mighty blow no longer affects fouls as far as I'm aware).
So in my view risk for fouling is actually higher on each foul than it was with IGMEOY, where there was very low chance of getting ejected on the first foul, with a chance to significantly increase that on your subsequent fouls. |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Mar 17, 2009 - 00:28 |
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LRB5 took all the tactics out of fouling. Good job. |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Mar 17, 2009 - 00:39 |
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| Mr_Foulscumm wrote: | | LRB5 took all the tactics out of fouling. Good job. |
Not at all. See my profile. For example AV8 2+ assist worth the foul in LRB5. |
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Snorri
Joined: Jun 07, 2004
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Mar 17, 2009 - 00:41 |
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| Mr_Foulscumm wrote: | | LRB5 took all the tactics out of fouling. Good job. |
What tactics? |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Mar 17, 2009 - 01:39 |
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| RamonSalazar wrote: | | Mr_Foulscumm wrote: | | LRB5 took all the tactics out of fouling. Good job. |
Not at all. See my profile. For example AV8 2+ assist worth the foul in LRB5. |
That's not tactics that is statistics. There is a difference.
The chances of being sent off for fouling is the same for all fouls under the LRB5 rules. In LRB4 that is not the case.
In LRB5 fouling is mindless and boring. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Mar 17, 2009 - 02:02 |
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LRB5 fouling is all about pitch numbers rather than precision fouling. Sadly this means you should probably be fouling most things you see hit the floor if the numbers add up and fouling very seldom otherwise. |
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Khudzlin
Joined: May 24, 2007
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Mar 17, 2009 - 02:14 |
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the chance of being ejected depends on the target's armour... the lower it is, the more chance you have of being ejected (and the more chance you have of doing damage as well)
ejection chance is 1/6 + prb(breaking armour) x 1/6 if you don't have sneaky git and lower than that if you have it (the first 1/6 would be replaced by #doubles > target's armour/36) |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Mar 17, 2009 - 08:23 |
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| Mr_Foulscumm wrote: | | LRB5 took all the tactics out of fouling. Good job. |
Zing!
Got more numbers than the other guy? Got a cheap Lineman?
No reason not to foul. Tactics < what you roll on the multi-foul mindless lotto in 5 when it comes to the boot. Hence the Khemri 6 nerf!
I'd certainly foul plenty more in 5 than I currently do in 4 (with non Elves, I suppose). It's a shame they took some thinking out of the game, but there it is. There are other bits of 5 that are clever. Can't have it all. |
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PhrollikK
Joined: Nov 04, 2006
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Mar 17, 2009 - 09:28 |
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Well on a double (for most teams) you can get a player with the Sneaky Git skill. Foul away! This means you have to roll a double on the armour AND break it in order to be sent off meaning you can have a player taking potshot fouls of opportunity.
This is great for orc teams as their gobbos can take sneaky git as a normal skill and so you can get a cheap foul-monkey in your team!  |
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SzieberthAdam
Joined: Aug 31, 2008
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Mar 17, 2009 - 13:08 |
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Well, I updated the tables on my profile with the probabilities of sent off of a Sneaky Git player. You can notice that for example fouling against an AV8 player in LRB5 with a Sneaky Git worth the probs with 2+ assist (0+ if DP), because P(Cas)>P(SnGoff).
I admit that making a player off the field is much harder in LRB5, but with a SG/DP player you can foul in almost every turn wih a low chance to being sent off which makes that player worth to skill up more. Most of you use the once per turn blitz action as part of the tactics, dont you? Fouling become something similar in LRB5 imo. Besides, with well assisted boots you can cause casualties with every 5th foul using a DP which is much lower chance than 37+%, but still enough to use it (especially if you can do it constantly).
Well, and no more ,,dont foul back to not being fouled'' tactics for sissy coaches. Every coach must learn how to foul wisely in LRB5. Oh, and more fouls will cause more blood, even more than in LRB4. |
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