stej
Joined: Jan 05, 2009
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Apr 25, 2010 - 16:50 |
 
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While we are currently all testing the client and submitting bugs it has occured to me that it will take lots and lots of games until teams start getting usual / unusual skill combinations. As a result these bugs may go unnoticed until well after the client has been tested and come out of beta.
As a suggestion, might it be worthwhile for a select few to be allowed to create and test teams with several skill setups from the get go with the proviso that these teams get removed after the client leaves beta?
I'm no expert on the rules but I suspect there are some complicated but useful combo's ot there which would take teams 50+ games to get to. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Apr 25, 2010 - 16:58 |
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A shadowing, tentacles, diving tackle, prehensile tail player would be good to test. |
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Koigokoro
Joined: Sep 29, 2005
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Jun 24, 2010 - 16:04 |
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I was wondering if Side Step + Shadowing combo has been tested?
It should allow you to enter the blocking players starting square. |
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Archevol
Joined: Dec 14, 2008
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Jun 24, 2010 - 16:18 |
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??? Should it? I thought SS was movement into a free square... in a blitz situation, the follow up would not occur until the blocked player had already vacated surely? |
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DukeTyrion
Joined: Feb 18, 2004
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Jun 24, 2010 - 16:29 |
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Maybe just get a few Stars created with unusual stats, that way it will still be outside the client. |
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Koigokoro
Joined: Sep 29, 2005
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Jun 24, 2010 - 16:34 |
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| Archevol wrote: | | ??? Should it? I thought SS was movement into a free square... in a blitz situation, the follow up would not occur until the blocked player had already vacated surely? |
Yes. First pushed SS+Shadowing player Side Steps next to the blocker, then the blocker follows leaving one of the SS+Shadowing player's Tackle Zones and Shadowing can be used.
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Jun 24, 2010 - 17:23 |
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you can't shadow on a block followup....
--j |
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Koigokoro
Joined: Sep 29, 2005
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Jun 24, 2010 - 17:48 |
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| shadow46x2 wrote: | you can't shadow on a block followup....
--j |
In CRP/LRB6, you can Shadow any movement made by a player performing an Action. |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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Jun 24, 2010 - 18:36 |
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| Koigokoro wrote: | | shadow46x2 wrote: | you can't shadow on a block followup....
--j |
In CRP/LRB6, you can Shadow any movement made by a player performing an Action. |
EDIT: I misunderstood the scenario, never mind. Still, I'm not sure whether a follow up after a block would count as movement, since it does not use up any MA. Proper rules lawyering would have to be done, but I lack the time to do so. |
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Koigokoro
Joined: Sep 29, 2005
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Jun 24, 2010 - 21:05 |
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| Optihut wrote: | | Koigokoro wrote: | | shadow46x2 wrote: | you can't shadow on a block followup....
--j |
In CRP/LRB6, you can Shadow any movement made by a player performing an Action. |
EDIT: I misunderstood the scenario, never mind. Still, I'm not sure whether a follow up after a block would count as movement, since it does not use up any MA. Proper rules lawyering would have to be done, but I lack the time to do so. |
Shadowing is supposed to work on players moving by follow ups, the combo with Side Step sounds queer at first but is quite logical after you think about it.
Here's the original topic link:
http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=27597&hilit=shadowing+side+step |
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Jun 25, 2010 - 00:29 |
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wow...that's some pretty liberal interpretation of the rules, don't you think?...and linking a thread that has zero official viewpoints, other than more people liberally misinterpreting the rules, is hardly a valid resource for citation...
and no...it's not "logical"...following up is not an action....following up is a optional step taken as part of the block action....
but since you've already used TBB...i'll one up you with the rulebook...
| Quote: | Shadowing (General)
The player may use this skill when a player performing an Action on the
opposing team moves out of any of his tackle zones for any reason. |
from page 8 of LRB4 ...Player actions include: Move, Block, Blitz, Pass
from page 7 of LRB5...Player actions include: Move, Block, Blitz, Pass..and even clarify two more actions..hand-off, foul...
notice that "followup" is not any of these actions....
to be fair....LRB5 clarifies that it is to be done when "performing an action"...LRB4 does not make such clarification...
but then again, the clarification was probably made after the BBRC saw people like you trying to exploit flaws in the rules, whereas anyone with any common sense would know what the intention was...
god i love these "let's intentionally misinterpret the rules" threads...
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Prinz
Joined: Oct 01, 2005
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Jun 25, 2010 - 00:41 |
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It doesn't make sense on any level.
you're shadowing someone who's actively punching you in the face? |
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Koigokoro
Joined: Sep 29, 2005
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Jun 25, 2010 - 00:53 |
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&hilit| shadow46x2 wrote: | notice that "followup" is not any of these actions....
god i love these "let's intentionally misinterpret the rules" threads...
--j |
Shadowing46x2: You are disagreeing that followups of blocks can be shadowed in CRP/LRB6?
Another TBB link for ya then http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26961&hilit=shadowing
http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=26900=Shadowing
The first link had Ian as your official viewpoint person.
A followup happens as a part of Block or Blitz Actions and is movement by the Active player thus it can be shadowed. I think this is correct even in the Cyanide BB.
Optihut: The shadowing of your Blocker ofc can happen only if you are still standing after the block and Side Stepped to a position where the blocker leaves one of your eight Tackle Zones when he does the followup. |
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Jun 25, 2010 - 01:13 |
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i'm still waiting for the point where you show me in the LRB where it defines "followup" as an action...
http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?p=203931#p203931 is the only list of changes i've been able to find regarding LRB6, and there was a list on fumbbl as well...
but to my recollection, i don't recall either ever stating that "followup" was changed to an action....
but please, feel free to continue posting the fael that is TBB as your "proof"
--j |
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Koigokoro
Joined: Sep 29, 2005
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Jun 25, 2010 - 01:22 |
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| shadow46x2 wrote: | i'm still waiting for the point where you show me in the LRB where it defines "followup" as an action...
but please, feel free to continue posting the fael that is TBB as your "proof"
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Umm, follow up is always a part of Block or Blitz Action if the blocking player chooses to follow up. Are we really arguing about this or are you trolling me?
CRP: " Follow Up Moves: A player who has made a block is allowed to make a special follow up move and occupy a square vacated by the player that he has pushed back" |
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