pizzamogul
Joined: Jun 13, 2005
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Jun 15, 2010 - 17:29 |
 
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This is all a terrible thread derail that is getting us further away from having the vuvuzela sound added to the new client. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Jun 15, 2010 - 17:56 |
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God no.
I had such a headache after Italy-Paraguay...
...on a second thought, that might have been Italy's play giving headache.
Meh. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Jun 15, 2010 - 19:13 |
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I think we should have multiple vuvuzela sounds to choose from.
| JanMattys wrote: | On the other hand, I'd be pissed if my opponent changed plans because 70+ specs told him to.
Spectators are there for their own amusement, but they shouldn't have an impact on the game. Ever. |
Spectators -always- cheer for fouls. They are going to do this regardless of the tactical or strategic implications. Hence, their cheers are nothing to do with tactics.
To be honest I'm not quite sure who would want to take tactical advice from spectators anyway... its hardly high quality stuff. Even on the rare occasion that you might benefit from listening to the crowd it would be impossible for them to advise you beyond "foul" "foul" "foul". If that level of communication and tactical reasoning actually improves your opponents play then they are pretty crap. If you arent beating them then you dont deserve to. |
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Calthor
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
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Jun 15, 2010 - 19:16 |
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I would love to have more sounds, like the cricket sound, an 'awww, so close'...
And, I'd like to have an insane hysterical laugh. "Muahahaha..." |
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KingKlutz
Joined: Feb 14, 2009
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Jun 15, 2010 - 19:34 |
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Definitely no 'boring' that would not be good.
'Laugh' is great.
Also, keep a reasonable time limit between noises, or sadly some people will abuse speccing. |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Jun 15, 2010 - 19:42 |
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| KingKlutz wrote: | | Also, keep a reasonable time limit between noises, or sadly some people will abuse speccing. |
There is currently a delay in the new client. I have tried to cheer (or boo) repeatedly and there is a lengthy gap from when you make a noise until you can make another one.
/vuvuzela
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Jun 15, 2010 - 19:59 |
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| SillySod wrote: |
To be honest I'm not quite sure who would want to take tactical advice from spectators anyway |
Doesn't make sense. And you know it.
| SillySod wrote: |
Even on the rare occasion that you might benefit from listening to the crowd it would be impossible for them to advise you beyond "foul" "foul" "foul". |
Yeah, pretty much what I think shouldn't happen.
| SillySod wrote: |
If that level of communication and tactical reasoning actually improves your opponents play then they are pretty crap. |
Probably.
| SillySod wrote: |
If you arent beating them then you dont deserve to. |
Doesn't make sense. No, really, the more I read that sentence the more it seems and feels very VERY wrong. Just like the first one. Get off your pedestal. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Jun 15, 2010 - 20:08 |
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Hoping your opponent wont foul your St5 AG5 wardancer is roughly on par with hoping for misclicks. Not cool. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Jun 15, 2010 - 20:19 |
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People will foul with the eye if enough spectators incite them to, even if under normal circumstances they wouldn't. The former truth is ESPECIALLY true if they are not strong and self-confident in their Bloodbowl-fu.
This to me is a good enough reason not to let spectators influence the game.
Hell, there's people around here who play worse just by KNOWING there's people speccing...
EDIT: I removed sarcasm. I'm just tired and still (technically) at work, so I'm grumpty. Sorry SillySod. Still, I think my point makes sense while yours doesn't. |
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maysrill
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
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Jun 15, 2010 - 20:36 |
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The biggest potential for abuse would be the early rounds of majors. Why?
1. People watch majors, lots of people.
2. People watch casual games with good coaches (they are generally more competitive, entertaining, and potentially instructive)
3. People mostly ignore games with poor coaches.
4. The exception to #4 is majors.
Most people don't care that SillySod is pounding some noob named maysrill in a lopsided Ranked game that was essentially over by T4. No one is going to bother speccing. That same matchup in a major though, people will flock to watch. Being the noob that he is, maysrill is then overcome by the desire to please the fans when they all chant /hurt after I knock over a ST5/AG5 wardancer. The eye was on him, so it hadn't occurred to him it was probably still worth fouling it, and he fouls for a niggle with apo fail. The crowd goes wild.
I'm just a little incredulous that people are really going to be changing how they play, or that specs will be influencing the outcome of the game. The emotes just aren't helpful enough. Just the fact that people cheer when you hurt stuff is enough positive reinforcement to remember to foul when there are specs. Any decent player is going to ignore the crowd anyway, even if they WERE able to give advice, and it's mostly good players that people want to watch. |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Jun 15, 2010 - 21:38 |
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| JanMattys wrote: | People will foul with the eye if enough spectators incite them to, even if under normal circumstances they wouldn't. The former truth is ESPECIALLY true if they are not strong and self-confident in their Bloodbowl-fu.
This to me is a good enough reason not to let spectators influence the game.
Hell, there's people around here who play worse just by KNOWING there's people speccing...
EDIT: I removed sarcasm. I'm just tired and still (technically) at work, so I'm grumpty. Sorry SillySod. Still, I think my point makes sense while yours doesn't. |
Seconded. I mean lets say I'm speccing the match of 2 teams that play in a tourney and the winner has to play my team. Hell yeah, I'll be spamming that foul and inciting others to do so as well anytime anything remotely valuable goes down. Because if I can start a foulwar between the players, I'm happy regardless of who wins or if it's a good advice. |
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capnpaco
Joined: Apr 18, 2009
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Jun 16, 2010 - 12:58 |
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I second what maysrill said. Spectators can already impart some basic communication with /hurt, /cheer and /boo (foul him! No, don't do that, that's stupid! Yeah, there you go. That's much better!). I'm not sure that /foul, /cricket or /booref really add any new information for the players. Obviously you don't want /cage, /surf or /pass, for example (even though those are precisely the things the players on the field would 'really' hear a Bloodwiser-guzzling orc shout from the stands...). |
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On1
Joined: Jul 12, 2004
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Jun 16, 2010 - 13:07 |
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I think /hurt should be removed... And only /cheer and /boo should be kept! |
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zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Jun 16, 2010 - 13:16 |
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| On1 wrote: | | I think /hurt should be removed... And only /cheer and /boo should be kept! |
/boo! |
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DatMonsta
Joined: May 27, 2009
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Jun 16, 2010 - 13:29 |
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hmmm... i think bloodbowl should stay close to the tabletop version... and always when i play a little tourney with some mates i hear 'kill him' or ' foul him' quite often. and i really like to hear that (even if i would never foul on an advice by a spectator... all they want to see is blood). it's an important part of the game and fans in nearly evrey sport give stupid advices from the stands.
so please, give them lots of stupid noises, /cricket, /boot, /booref, /offese, /d-fence...whatever.
spectators are fans, so give them the opportunity to act like fans.
even if some coaches might get affected by a crowd screaming for blood.... they should just turn off the crwodnoises and that's it.
i would love to have a screaming crowd, and i would love them to have more options as /cheer, /boo ans /hurt!
just an opinion of a (not so great and not deep into the majorscene) coach |
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