Prez
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 07, 2010 - 13:45 |
 
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I seem to have a problem with FFB, in that almost all actions are taking a long time to be carried out. Its like I have the 'lag from hell'
ie, take a block action and then follow up can at times take over 30-60 seconds, consequently nearly all my turns are over 4minutes.
Conversely I do not get this problem with the Fumbbl client.
I am running Java 6 with latest update 21, there are no other versions of java on to conflict with. OS is XP.
Any ideas or help to a solution would be greatly appreciated |
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Woodstock
Joined: Dec 11, 2004
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Sep 07, 2010 - 14:02 |
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I believe 6.21 is bugged once again, same like 6.14 (?) was. You can try and run FFB with 6.20 if you still have it installed and see if the lag is still there. |
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Kalimar
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
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Sep 07, 2010 - 14:12 |
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I recommend java 1.6.0_20 myself. Have had problems with the latest release, too. |
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Prez
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 07, 2010 - 14:15 |
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I have only just recently updated Java (within a week) so I'm presuming that was update 21. I had the problem before the update, so was hoping it would remedy the situation. But sadly doesnt seem to have! But I will try out going back to 6.20 and see what happens |
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Calcium
Joined: Apr 08, 2007
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Sep 07, 2010 - 15:27 |
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I personally haven't had any problems with the latest Java (6.21). Is this a widespread problem and if it's likley to occur, how do I change to the older version? |
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Prez
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 08, 2010 - 11:03 |
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I've gone back to using 6.20 and the problem is still apparent, for example a straight forward block is taking far far too long to complete, by comparison to Fumbbl  |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 08, 2010 - 11:16 |
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It has been effecting me too randomly, most of the time it is fine but sometimes is lags badly, Im not having problems with the old client so not sure what is causing it. I too have the most recent version of Java installed. I will roll back to the 6.20 and see if that helps. |
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SneakyFox
Joined: Oct 29, 2005
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Sep 08, 2010 - 12:31 |
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Lag here too, though I have a slow connection as well. Not sure if it should show on my screen, though. |
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Lakrillo
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
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Sep 08, 2010 - 12:34 |
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Bad connection with package-loss will most probably show on your screen as at some points your client awaits answers from the server to continue. If you have lag at some times and others not, could you please collect some ping-data to www.fumbbl.com and compare the normal times with the laggy times? |
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Shraaaag
Joined: Feb 15, 2004
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Sep 08, 2010 - 13:14 |
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Could it be a router/firewall/anti-virus issue? |
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Prez
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 08, 2010 - 13:17 |
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| Lakrillo wrote: | | If you have lag at some times and others not, could you please collect some ping-data to www.fumbbl.com and compare the normal times with the laggy times? |
How do I go about doing that then? |
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Lakrillo
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
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Sep 08, 2010 - 13:39 |
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Assuming you are running windows.
if you start a command prompt ( Start -> Run... -> type "cmd" in the box and press enter)
In the command prompt you type "ping www.fumbbl.com"
That will send ping commands to fumbbl a couple of times and then show statistics for how fast an answer is received.
You can also type "tracert www.fumbbl.com" to check all the different steps your information takes on the way to the fumbbl-site. If there is long times early in the jump-chain, then the problem lies in your internet connection most likely.
Also think about what other things you do with the computer at the same time as playing. If you are running torrent-programs this might severly worsen the state of your connection. This also happens if someone else in your appartment is using such a program. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 08, 2010 - 14:49 |
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I will gather some ping and trace route data when it happens again however I think it is very unlikely that this has anything to do with my internet connection as I have a fibre optic BB connection that is at a fixed rate of 10 meg downstream. But I will certainly look in to it 
Edit: I'm not sure quite how the new client works or rather how it differs from the old one in terms of connecting each player to the game. It is possible however that service providers are wrongly classifying these games P2P usage and because of this restricing your BB speeds whilst playing.
I work for a major BB provider and I have seen this before. It happened with Vetrilo not that long ago. Ventrilo was being wrongly clasified as P2P and because of this as soon as users hit peak times it was unusable(very very laggy). So I think people should see if the slow down is only happening at peak times and if it is do a trace route as previously stated and that will provide you with the proof you need to take to your service providers to show them they are choking your BB connection at peak times. If this does turn out to be the case your service provider can isolate the signal you are using for this game and reclassify it as non P2P usage.
I think this is pretty unlikely as well but it is a posible and I have seen it before. |
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Prez
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 09, 2010 - 10:01 |
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Ping www.fumbbl
Ping statistics for (my IP address)
packets: sent = 4, received = 4, lost = 0, <0% loss>
Approximate round trip times in milli seconds:
min = 80ms, max = 83ms, average = 81ms
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
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C:\Documents and Settings\me>cd\
C:\>ping www.fumbbl.com
Pinging www.fumbbl.com [213.64.182.36] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 213.64.182.36: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=46
Reply from 213.64.182.36: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=46
Reply from 213.64.182.36: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=46
Reply from 213.64.182.36: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=46
Ping statistics for 213.64.182.36:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 80ms, Maximum = 83ms, Average = 81ms
C:\>tracert www.fumbbl.com
Tracing route to www.fumbbl.com [213.64.182.36]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms 89.241.64.1
3 37 ms 38 ms 37 ms xe-8-1-0-100.ner002.irl.as13285.net [62.24.254.2
18]
4 37 ms 37 ms 37 ms 62.24.254.139
5 41 ms 39 ms 38 ms xe-10-0-0-rt002.man.as13285.net [78.151.225.9]
6 45 ms 44 ms 45 ms xe-11-1-0-rt001.the.as13285.net [62.24.240.6]
7 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms host-78-144-0-208.as13285.net [78.144.0.208]
8 45 ms 43 ms 43 ms abovenet.killercreation.co.uk [79.141.38.133]
9 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms ldn-b5-link.telia.net [213.248.83.53]
10 44 ms 44 ms 43 ms ldn-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.252.205]
11 65 ms 65 ms 65 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.250.220]
12 80 ms 193 ms 83 ms s-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.64.29]
13 79 ms 79 ms 77 ms s-b1-link.telia.net [80.91.249.71]
14 79 ms 81 ms 79 ms hy-peer3-link.telia.net [80.91.247.97]
15 81 ms 79 ms 83 ms hy-c5-link.se.telia.net [81.228.75.186]
16 78 ms 80 ms 81 ms hy-d10-link.se.telia.net [81.228.79.216]
17 83 ms 83 ms 83 ms aars-gr100-link.se.telia.net [81.228.79.190]
18 78 ms 78 ms 81 ms h36n1-oerby-gr100.ias.bredband.telia.com [213.64
.182.36]
Trace complete.
Well above is the info I collected from the Ping & Tracert commands, hope it is of some use.
That said I have absolutely no problems what-so-ever playing Fumbbl client, everything runs at a normal speed and I can complete turns relatively quickly averaging about 2mins (ish). So why would the above effect the FFB client more, where my turns are averaging 4mins.
I have no other major progs running in teh background other than my AVG virus protection.
| Garion wrote: |
I work for a major BB provider and I have seen this before. It happened with Vetrilo not that long ago. Ventrilo was being wrongly clasified as P2P and because of this as soon as users hit peak times it was unusable(very very laggy). So I think people should see if the slow down is only happening at peak times and if it is do a trace route as previously stated and that will provide you with the proof you need to take to your service providers to show them they are choking your BB connection |
In relation to playing at peak times, I've played most of my FFB at off peak times, such as 2300 BB times |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 09, 2010 - 10:11 |
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There is nothing wrong with that ping data or the trace route data. Ont he trace route from hops 12 onwards it is running a little slower but not enough to cause you any problems like the ones you were experiencing. Were you experiencing the slow down at the time of running these tests?
You could try turning auto update off on your avg. I did this because when avg started updating whilst I was playing it would cause slow down, but I assume that is something you would notice if it was updating while you were playing. |
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