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Calcium

Joined: Apr 08, 2007

Posted: Nov 04, 2010 - 21:58

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THIS IS A KHAMRI

THIS IS A KHEMRI

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Were_M_Eye

Joined: Sep 24, 2007

Posted: Nov 04, 2010 - 22:49

Calcium wrote:

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THIS IS A KHAMRI

THIS IS A KHEMRI

Sorted.

But is it the old or new Khamri?

Wreckage

Joined: Aug 15, 2004

Posted: Nov 04, 2010 - 23:20

Where is the "I prefer to play never against Khemri" option?

HLY

Joined: Nov 03, 2009

Posted: Nov 04, 2010 - 23:27

as this is a I prefered the play with, not against thread, I felt that it wouldn't have been all to useful of an option to the question.

and thank you for clarrifying that error Calcium. I missed the spelling error in the title Very Happy

Ansbach

Joined: Jul 12, 2004

Posted: Nov 04, 2010 - 23:56

Well, the older Khemri were obviously better - they were broken enough that they needed to be fixed.

That being said, I do enjoy the speed on the new team - it's significantly easier to score with them now. I just think Decay was a step too far.

pongboy84

Joined: Sep 09, 2008

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 00:40

5 St. guys cant get block easy....I vote for oldies

Astarael

Joined: Aug 14, 2005

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 01:01

Definatly LRB4 Khemri. As much as thick skull skellies are nice, decay is going to wreak havok on a player that can no longer get block easily. Sure they could take wrestle, but bleh!

LRB4 Khemri were at their prime (win% wise) at low TR/TV, now they've but hurt at their only good point. CRP Khemri are very close to not being worth playing.

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Lakrillo

Joined: Sep 12, 2007

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 09:41

I think the key to this whole situation lies not in LRB4 or CRP, but in the LRB5 roster which is the missing link between them.
LRB5 Khemri proved to be overpowered with almost no need to replace a mummy ever as they protected eachother combined with ageing gone. And when a mummy got killed, it did not take long to skill him up again due to them having mighty blow.

A post from another thread which i wrote about the matter.

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Khemri don't need a nerf in LRB4, the Khemri nerf is based on LRB5 test data.
There was a lot of other changes that made the Khemri becoming overpowered in LRB5 in the hands of a coach that were good at the positional play.

a few of those are:
- Worse apo and aging gone. Making regen far better
- Nerf of dauntless. Mummies have a better time
- Change of fouling game. One of the most effective ways to foul is with cheap linemen, skeletons excelled here.
- All Big guys got price increase, so less S5 players. Good for the mummies
- Claw changed. Made other bashers loose more, but with 4 S5 players with guard, the mummies were not affected and it was useless against skellies.

For you that did not see this, imagine the other way around. That Khemri wouldnt have been nerfed and within a year, we would have 40% Khemri coaches in tournaments, because they were the best at hurting the opponents while shutting down TD:s from the opposition. Winning 1-0 most of the games.
I don't like orcs, but having Khemri as the most popular team would be far worse for the game than having orcs there.

RC

Joined: Sep 22, 2005

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 09:50

I hate khemri and I am glad to see them nerfed. You guys who play them for fluff reasons can still do so and you who powrgame with them, LOL!

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On1

Joined: Jul 12, 2004

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 09:55

Calcium wrote:

THIS IS A KHEMRI

How is that a Khemri?

Ullakkomorko

Joined: Aug 10, 2008

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 10:03

I really enjoy the new Khemri team, both playing with them and playing against them. I've played 11 games and all have been very exciting. AG2 adds such a nice layer of complexity and just trying to kill everything in sight is no longer a viable option, although 4 ST5 pieces with Move 4 do allow for some domination. Decay hurts but they're just pixels, right?

uzkulak

Joined: Mar 30, 2004

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 14:57

Old khemri sucked quite a bit as well unless they hired ramtut at low tr, or got the ref. Agility teams especially used to beat them very easily. New Khemri still suck, but at least they are not so one dimensional.

maysrill

Joined: Dec 29, 2008

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 15:27

Wreckage wrote:

Where is the "I prefer to play never against Khemri" option?

Khemri are a great opponent! They fall into one of three categories:

A. noobs trying to bash stuff, mostly for fun. They're not going to beat you barring great luck (which can happen in any match), and often the bashing even fails to hurt you much.

B. Good players who try to maximize the khemri strengths to win games. It's a challenge, as they're not a great "winning" team. You're still likely to win, even against good coaches, and the wanton damage is often less. (note: they'll still foul a lot, since that's a sound strategy, but they won't cost themselves games making lots of silly fouls)

C. Psycopaths. These are good solid coaches who are out to hurt things. If successful, they can win, but often consider a game a success based more on the body count than TDs.

If you don't like khemri, it's probably C and A bothering you, but generally khemri are easy wins. For the most part, I like playing against them.

Reasons to like playing againt them:
1. Slow: you can run circles around them
2. Squishy: av7 aplenty to score cas on
3. Clumsy: lack of dodging and ball handling makes them predictable

Purplegoo

Joined: Mar 23, 2006

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 15:35

Lakrillo wrote:

I think the key to this whole situation lies not in LRB4 or CRP, but in the LRB5 roster which is the missing link between them.
LRB5 Khemri proved to be overpowered with almost no need to replace a mummy ever as they protected eachother combined with ageing gone. And when a mummy got killed, it did not take long to skill him up again due to them having mighty blow.

A post from another thread which i wrote about the matter.

Quote:

Khemri don't need a nerf in LRB4, the Khemri nerf is based on LRB5 test data.
There was a lot of other changes that made the Khemri becoming overpowered in LRB5 in the hands of a coach that were good at the positional play.

a few of those are:
- Worse apo and aging gone. Making regen far better
- Nerf of dauntless. Mummies have a better time
- Change of fouling game. One of the most effective ways to foul is with cheap linemen, skeletons excelled here.
- All Big guys got price increase, so less S5 players. Good for the mummies
- Claw changed. Made other bashers loose more, but with 4 S5 players with guard, the mummies were not affected and it was useless against skellies.

For you that did not see this, imagine the other way around. That Khemri wouldnt have been nerfed and within a year, we would have 40% Khemri coaches in tournaments, because they were the best at hurting the opponents while shutting down TD:s from the opposition. Winning 1-0 most of the games.
I don't like orcs, but having Khemri as the most popular team would be far worse for the game than having orcs there.

Whilst I agree this was the reasoning behind the nerf historically; I still can't believe for one second LRB5 Khemri were overpowered. I just don't see it, and I don't buy the data sources that are always dragged up either. I will admit my time playing loads of league TT was LRB6 in the main, however, so it's just paper talk to me.

This is an argument I always have with a good TT / PBEM coach when we meet up, he's in the 'too good' corner, I'm in the 'You must be on drugs'. I just don't see it.

However, it's all ancient history now, they are what they are! Smile

Perhaps I'm massively wrong, but this is the one argument I'm happy to look at again and again, I think it's crazy!

PainState

Joined: Apr 04, 2007

Posted: Nov 05, 2010 - 15:45

Sorry...thought this was a thread on which model of Khamri to buy...my bad.

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