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Frankenstein



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Feb 05, 2011 - 18:47 Reply with quote Back to top
Gotta say that I totally agree with PC.

And I still doubt there has been a problem in the first place.
Timlagor



Joined: Feb 13, 2009
Post   Posted: Feb 05, 2011 - 19:09 Reply with quote Back to top
Moving the cap shouldn't affect things very much as the scheduler will still favour more even matches. It would only matter when few teams were activated --would you rather not play or play with a bigger inducement?

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Frankenstein



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Feb 13, 2011 - 13:44 Reply with quote Back to top
Gotta admit that I have changed my mind about this.

I wasn't aware that the Jump up modifier is +2 rather than +1 and also hadn't realized that PO is quite broken with proper complementary skills. Kind of the new DP, but only for a handful of rosters.

Clearly a game design fail in my opinion.
Smeat



Joined: Nov 19, 2006
Post   Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 05:31 Reply with quote Back to top
PurpleChest wrote:
...And Fumbbl will endure.

All true, but will it thrive?

I faced a similar Chaos Pact team one of my very first BkBx games, with a new(ish) 1-game team - they had a TV not much more than mine, but had a dozen skills from SPP's compared to my two. (They had several Big Guys, but the end result was a similar situation.) The inducement was 90k, enough for 1 Bloodweiser Babe - hardly equitable, and the rest (40k) was completely meaningless.


The result from these CP marauder (and similar) teams is a veteran team that is near or at (or below!) "starting value" but is a highly customized team re skills - which can give them a distinct advantage over most any "starting" teams.

When I asked, the coach was honest about it - "Black Box is all about TV management - your starting team is expensive!" - which translates to me, "Some teams can't compete in Black Box at that low Team Value", or certainly at least not against those teams, because their TV isn't on the same curve - not at that value.


To get this back to the above quote, if only a certain type of team can dominate, especially at the "brand new team" level, fewer of other team types will enter that meat grinder, and fewer will succeed in comparison.

This is not overall healthy for the game, or the site, imo.

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Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 14:53 Reply with quote Back to top
Soooo... now that the other thread has been locked can we keep going in this one instead? Very Happy

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Purplegoo



Joined: Mar 23, 2006
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 14:53 Reply with quote Back to top
I will kill you, Fouly... Very Happy
Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 14:59 Reply with quote Back to top
Purplegoo wrote:
I will kill you, Fouly... Very Happy


Try it! I have fend! Very Happy

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Fela



Joined: Dec 27, 2004
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 15:10 Reply with quote Back to top
Fouly isn't at fault anyway (yeah i know, paradox). Evil Woodstock locked that other thread Smile.
t0tem



Joined: Mar 29, 2010
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 16:13 Reply with quote Back to top
i dont know about you guys but i think claw mb po is a seriously over-powered combo, hence the game is broken. now the question is: how can we fix it? suggestions?

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Woodstock



Joined: Dec 11, 2004
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 16:14 Reply with quote Back to top
PO only on armor rolls, not on injury. And don't let claw and MB stack.
uuni



Joined: Mar 12, 2010
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 16:17 Reply with quote Back to top
Hmm... I feel lazy. Where should I ask the question I have been pondering some time:

What is supposed to be the counter to Mighty Blow?
JimmyFantastic



Joined: Feb 06, 2007
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 16:19 Reply with quote Back to top
The counter to MB is high AV. That is why Claw MB is rather good.

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t0tem



Joined: Mar 29, 2010
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 16:22 Reply with quote Back to top
Very Happy i cant belive you would encourage this woodstock

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Fela



Joined: Dec 27, 2004
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 16:33 Reply with quote Back to top
Woodstock wrote:
PO only on armor rolls, not on injury. And don't let claw and MB stack.


Is that a vote for FUMBBL houserules? Smile
Daragor



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 17:02 Reply with quote Back to top
Out of curiosity, were any of the new rules tested on Fumbbl?
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