Lakrillo
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
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Feb 21, 2011 - 15:26 |
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Gandresch, you are missing one thing, the dodge is decided before the pushback is decided and you get the option if there is a POTENTIAL case. So all of your cases there would have the popup asking to use dodge. |
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gandresch
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2011 - 15:31 |
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As i know, the client only triggers the Push/Pow-Dodge-popup when the player is pushed OVER the LOS, but not if the player is already in the half of the opposing team. If the defending player has already been pushed into the half of the other player, then there is no question on the usage of Dodge or not, even if there is a Push/Pow again. So as long as there is no chainpush, the client uses Dodge automatically.
The decision for Grab is before the decision to use Dodge, as the attacking player is always asked first, which skills he is using. |
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uuni
Joined: Mar 12, 2010
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Feb 21, 2011 - 15:33 |
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How about to ask every time that: the blockee can be pushed next to another player, or can be pushed next to or one square away from the sideline, or the blocker has Frenzy or Grab or the blockee has Side Step, and always when it is the first turn after a kick-off?
What is the current Dodge-use convention and where can I read it? Is there a "cheat-sheet" for those house-conventions of rule application here somewhere?
Is the old bugreport about Dodge-case still valid, is it on the development plans? Or is it now a works-as-intended or wont-fix? (http://www.fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=bugs&op=view&id=282)
Is there anything that we non-developers can do to help in this case?
Edit: added Side Step. |
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gandresch
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2011 - 15:35 |
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Quote: | 2) It is the first turn after kickoff and a defending player has the potential to be pushed over the middle-line into the attackers half |
Perhaps a clarification of this point would help. As i understand, it only triggers, if the player is pushed over the LOS but not afterwards.
Does it trigger if the 3 adjacent squares are occupied but the player uses the Grab skill? |
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Lakrillo
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
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Feb 21, 2011 - 15:40 |
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gandresch wrote: | As i know, the client only triggers the Push/Pow-Dodge-popup when the player is pushed OVER the LOS, but not if the player is already in the half of the opposing team. If the defending player has already been pushed into the half of the other player, then there is no question on the usage of Dodge or not, even if there is a Push/Pow again. So as long as there is no chainpush, the client uses Dodge automatically.
The decision for Grab is before the decision to use Dodge, as the attacking player is always asked first, which skills he is using. |
No, you are wrong here.
If the player is being blocked by a player with grab and there are empty squares on the "other" side of the middle line, then it will ask for dodge. This takes place before the pushback.
Same with the chainpush, even though the blocking player have grab, if the three normal push-back squares are occupied, dodge will get the popup.
This is the reason why i cannot see any base for your argumentation here. |
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zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Feb 21, 2011 - 15:55 |
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gandresh maybe you should test all those wicked cases in test mode before posting |
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gandresch
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2011 - 16:04 |
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I read the release notes and in this case it came to a misunderstanding. Good, that it's been clarified.
uuni came up with a great idea. Would it help you, if we try to specify the cases, where we want to be asked for the usage? This could be easier and reduces the popups. |
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Lakrillo
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
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Feb 21, 2011 - 16:23 |
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uunis suggestion is not that optimal, it looks good on a first look, but i did some calculations on it and i found out that the amount of total popups would increase due to the amount of players with block, while it would not remove that many popups as things are happening in a sequence and there would have to be subsequent popups for things resolved later in the block depending on results. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Feb 21, 2011 - 16:36 |
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I thinkit's ace currently, and have not dodged sometimes. |
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turboraton
Joined: Jul 26, 2009
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Feb 21, 2011 - 16:44 |
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I didnt use Dodge once so i wouldnt get surfed. I got a nice -STR instead. |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Feb 21, 2011 - 16:53 |
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Current implementation is great. Please stop pestering Kalimar and Lakrillo to waste time on this. |
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