VoodooMike
Joined: Nov 07, 2010
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:18 |
 
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| Luohghcra wrote: | | OT, concessions are weak, this one particularly. Can't take the heat, get out of the box. |
Given the title of the thread, I'd say that suggestion isn't really needed. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:19 |
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I'm much more sympathetic to minmax waa than Claw MB PO waa.
Not really checked if this was such a case, but I can certainly sympahise if it was. TS? |
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King_Ghidra
Joined: Sep 14, 2009
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:48 |
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so the player drunk was moaning about: "why would anyone face a team whose top player has four times the SPP of your entire team, and you get 50k of inducements. Clearly, that is an utterly broken game. " was a str 4 ag4 blodger
and so lets look at drunk's own team. WHY, WHAT CAN THIS BE???? He also has a str 4 ag4 blodger!!
OH MY GOD BROKEN GAME
This is whining of the most embarrassing and pathetic kind. Play the game and use the tools your tv has paid for (agility?!!??!!?) and see what happens. Conceding on turn 3 with barely a cas is just not acceptable imho. Frankly the admins should be doing some slapping here. |
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Hitonagashi
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:05 |
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Aye.
1360 TV for the teams, and you should really be ready to face some. You didn't face a minmax team (CD's with everything on the hobs), you drew a Pact team, who happened to have no clawmbpo. It even had an ogre for chrissakes!
You took a +ag and 2x +st's as your only skills in the Box. TV efficiency is a part of the blackbox...that isn't min maxing, your team was just bad for that TV. That's not his fault. |
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Raughri
Joined: Oct 11, 2011
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:06 |
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Min-maxing does suck, but the only way around it is to not play in the box. If you play in the box, you now what you are going to get. Don't whine about it, either suck it up and play or play league/ranked. Whining about the box just makes you look bad. |
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f_alk
Joined: Sep 30, 2005
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:13 |
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| Drunken_Master wrote: | | So, my brand new Wood Elf team, with 4 games under its belt and 35 SPPs worth of talent on the pitch, gets stuck facing a Chaos Pact team with 79 games and 228 SPPs on the pitch. |
This is not very useful information. It could be one Legend on the Pact against 5 single skill players on your side who all got AG+ or ST+.
Also ... how many of those 200+ SPP could be fielded?
| Quote: | | Someone make that case, please: why would anyone face a team whose top player has four times the SPP of your entire team, and you get 50k of inducements. Clearly, that is an utterly broken game. |
LRB4 took SPP difference as a measure for team strength, and this was considered as one of the more broken features of it.
| Quote: | | my team had played 4 games... and I get a 50k inducement for facing a team that's played 79 games. |
The amount of games does not matter after a certain point. It would have hardly been a difference if the team had played 50 games. What matters is how lucky they were in avoiding CAS against them in the last match and how lucky they were in avoinding RIPs and SIs in a handfull of matches before that one. |
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divino77
Joined: Jun 23, 2011
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:16 |
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| thedevil wrote: | is conceeding 3 turns into a game acceptable?
I can understand that black box has issues but you could have atleast had a go.
In my opinion that match was not that unbalanced and was atleast worth playing to a point where it would have been unwinnable and a concession was warranted.
I only say this because the rules are clear about conceeding and I hope that and admin ticked off on it first. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:19 |
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| Purplegoo wrote: | I'm much more sympathetic to minmax waa than Claw MB PO waa.
Not really checked if this was such a case, but I can certainly sympahise if it was. TS? |
It was min max but no where near the worst i have seen. Also if the OP gives his Wardancers Pro as first and second skill instead of Strip Ball then they are asking for trouble really. The match up wasn't too bad, if one of those Wardancers had strip ball I would put my money on the Wood Elves to win the match up 9 time out of 10. |
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Hitonagashi
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:21 |
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| Garion wrote: | | Purplegoo wrote: | I'm much more sympathetic to minmax waa than Claw MB PO waa.
Not really checked if this was such a case, but I can certainly sympahise if it was. TS? |
It was min max but no where near the worst i have seen. Also if the OP gives his Wardancers Pro as first and second skill instead of Strip Ball then they are asking for trouble really. The match up wasn't too bad, if one of those Wardancers had strip ball I would put my money on the Wood Elves to win the match up 9 time out of 10. |
TBH Garion, I wouldn't even call it min-max. He had an ogre, a goblin, a dark elf (who wasn't the carrier!) , a fair few claw/mb scattered, and a +st +ag blodge ball carrier. That's hardly piling on the clawbomb at low tv!
Pact are inherently low TV...and if running 11 men is minmax, there's a heck of a lot of elf teams that are guilty  |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:25 |
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naaa it still is, he just isnt great at it. He has consistently fired big guys once they get a few skills, and then bought a new one to keep his TV down. and then there is this -
9 double (6 not used)
7 AG+1 (5 not used)
4 ST+1 (2 used as double)
Still min maxing, but yeah as i said, woodies should win this game if they have 1 strip ball player |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:29 |
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Right o.
Nothing to see here, then. I'd not checked teams, I thought the op was that old school coach with a similar name (who was excellent). Pro Wardancers is... An interesting twist!
Still stand by the minmax stuff, mind. The sky isn't falling in, but I think on reflection, I would back TS in matchmaking somewhere. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:32 |
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Pro Wardancers make me giggle. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:48 |
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Emeric
Joined: May 25, 2011
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:52 |
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From Help > Blackbox page :
"A new division of random fair matches where you play what you get. It is a highly competitive division that is not for the faint of heart."
Looks like op is a bit "faint of heart". |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:53 |
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Potentially. TS and games played would have their own, obvious issues too.
Obviously, they are both stronger methods than CR, and factoring them into the formula may be too faffy to be worth it. Despite the minmax thing, TV still is clearly best and most simple... Most of the time.
Obviously, choosing the game yourself knocks off any issues of this nature.  |
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