slanter
Joined: Aug 02, 2004
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Aug 02, 2005 - 12:43 |
 
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DonKosak
Joined: Apr 06, 2004
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Aug 02, 2005 - 12:52 |
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| LordSplutticus wrote: | | When playing against Ogres, be patient, Ogres have a hard time playing a solid strategy because they can never count on their players to do even the simplest of tasks. Just waiting for boneheads actually really works as a strategy. Against Ogres, the more agile you are, the more patient you should be, which I know to be very, very counter-intuitive but playing against Ogres is a whole new game of bloodbowl and once you get the hang of it, it is one of the easiest rosters to win against. You have the better team, good coaching should almost always lead you to victory against Ogres, problem is that there is a lot of bad coaching against Ogres out there, because players just get way too intimidated by "dem Ogres". |
I agree.
My team No Silly Ogres like to pass the ball around trying to make Flog the best ogre thrower in all of Fumbbl, but even when they play the "wall of stupid flesh" game they lose most of the time. They have a hard time earning money for RR not to mention a few gobbos and replacement of the nigglers, so I guess they should be feared in maybe the next century... 
I consider myself an average coach and their record is still 5/7/14...  |
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Pau
Joined: Jan 12, 2005
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Aug 02, 2005 - 12:56 |
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| neverdodge wrote: | | Lord_Splutticus wrote: | Take a look at the replays of the Crazy Kings matches, they have played against many types of opponents, agile and bashy, high and low TR and they are by far the toughest Ogre team on FUMBBL.
The Crazy Kings always play the wall-of-flesh line-up, so you will see how to break it a lot of times and you will see what doesn't work.
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average 4.45 cas / game that just seems wrong to me |
I'm betting my right arm those ogres were made when they had G access. if they were then yes. they are obviously broken. |
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neverdodge
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 02, 2005 - 12:58 |
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With all the 1d roll being pow and all dodge being 6 most of us can beat them. You can t take a single game as example and say "that s the way to beat them".
By the way the win costed 2 death on good players . |
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thechosenone
Joined: Jul 08, 2005
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Aug 02, 2005 - 13:32 |
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The idea of trying to block or foul the ogres out of the game is a ridiculous tactic. I cannot believe some of the more experienced coaches here are advocating such a view - that is of course if they are referring to fouling or trying to ko, si, kill more than one ogre. Trying to remove one ogre is ok.
The key point has been mentioned: wait for bonehead rolls. |
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Macavity
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
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Aug 02, 2005 - 15:10 |
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Well, thechosenone has spoken........ He's still a twit, but he has spoken.  This thread was started quite a long time ago, folks. I, personally have never had trouble with playing against Ogre teams (though I've mostly met them in the mid-100s range). I say, do what makes sense. Hit them when you can, get to the ball before they can, and crowd-push at any opportunity. Don't depend on killing Ogres, but don't be afraid to try. Odds are you will win 1-0 or 2-0, with a bit of luck with them failing the pick ups. Odds are you will have more RR skills then them so winning a re-roll battle is quite likely. If any gobbos are present... make sure you smack them often and hard. |
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Slick
Joined: Jul 03, 2004
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Aug 02, 2005 - 15:35 |
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There is an easy solution to unbreaking these bigguns. They are Big Guys so make them Big Guys. Don't let them use rerolls and bam they are just as useless as every other team of retards aka gobbos and halfys. The whole disadvantage behing Ogres on other teams is based on the fact that they can't use rerolls not just the little negatrait bonehead. If they couldn't use rerolls you could never depend on them for anything and even at higher TR Pro would be the only slight concern but since everyone is gonna take Block as first double you wouldnt see a whole team of Pro Blockers too often. Besides they are supposed to be a bunch of lumbering oafs unlikely to listen to the coach therefore incapabale of using rerolls and as someone pointed out they are supposed to be a fluffy silly team so why not stick with the original fluff. Anyway that's the most obvious solution so write Jervis and tell him what's up!!! |
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Vanguard
Joined: Nov 01, 2003
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Aug 02, 2005 - 15:40 |
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the new ogres are not that hard broken ... believe me i play one 
the old are ...
but the lack of block makes them a bit different to play against
with any ag 3 team never try to dodge away only block the ogre his choose it works nice beliefe me
and strip ball works well ... but you will never get a strip ball wardancer in a cage ... or at least not a 2 dice strip ball (except he has str 4 or dauntless ... bcs the cage is full of guards and a str 5 carrier so its a 3 dice foe the ogre
no let the ogres score and wait
stall also help... and if he ttm he will fail a lot |
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Karhumies
Joined: Oct 17, 2004
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Aug 03, 2005 - 14:36 |
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Pau
Joined: Jan 12, 2005
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Aug 03, 2005 - 15:11 |
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| Azurus wrote: | | MixX wrote: | | as has been said, try to capitalize on the fact that Ogres need either a gobbo to handle the ball (str. 2) or a low AG Ogre, so outrun them (if you can), and try to get to the ball(holder) before the entire team can protect him/it. |
Again, this only really works against low TR ogres. The high TR teams almost always have at least one AG3 ogre, who probably also has sure hands to stop strip ball. Goblins are really there only to foul in this case, and they're unlikely to be short on targets. |
so he only needs to roll a 11 and then a double! fantastic! Ogre teams just suck.
Now imagine a wardancer with +ag and a double. what one is better? |
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dom_rougier
Joined: Aug 27, 2005
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Aug 29, 2005 - 12:30 |
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They current vault rules for ogres have 0-6 ogres, 0-16 SNOTLINGS (20K, st 1 Av 5) and have the ogres with "loner" (big guy)
oh, and they cost 140k too.
This seems a lot more balanced to me, shame they removed my lovely little goblinses tho  |
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Lamoron
Joined: Apr 21, 2004
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Aug 31, 2005 - 14:46 |
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Oh yeah, that's really balanced... I would rather play against that team, than face Haflings or Goblins! Snotlings have twitchy last I checked, and AV nothing... after the first half, the game is going to be 2-0 score, and 10-1 cas to the guys playing AGAINST the ogres. Why make a team that can do nothing? Six Ogres with Loner cannot do anything when every single snotling has been killed/maimed/destroyed in the first half.
I play an Ogre team in TT (LRB 4.0 - TR 194), and consider myself a decent coach. Trust me, if you play against them the right way, they can do nothing to stop you from scoring, and I'd pitcher my Dark Elf blodger team against an Ogre team any day... free wins for me, and less headache than playing Chaos or even Orc...
Orc = 4 Black Orcs, 4 Blitzers, Dirty Players, Tacklers, Guarders and potentially 9 Guard/Mighty Blowers.
Ogre = 11 Ogres, maybe 2 Block, if very lucky Ogres then maybe 1 Tackle, 1-2 Sure hands. |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Aug 31, 2005 - 15:54 |
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dont know if some of you might have seen... but according to the new... still experimental lrb 1.9 rules the number of ogres will be restricted to 6 and all ogres get the looner skill... what means the big guys rule apllies to them....
on the other hand they'll get assist from 20 k snotlings with:
0-16 5 1 3 5 Dodge, Right Stuff, Stunty, Side Step, Titchy |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 31, 2005 - 16:16 |
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Loner isnt the same as Big Guy
Its a 4+ to use a reroll
Snotlings are also 20k!!! so you can get a lot of them and if they die, just buy more!, they are also a lot better at dodging and will give the Ogres easier assists |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Aug 31, 2005 - 17:47 |
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| brownrob wrote: | Loner isnt the same as Big Guy
Its a 4+ to use a reroll
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right, my fault.... anyway i still think the new rules will make them much more balanced... oh and ogres will cost 140 k ....
fair deal isnt it? |
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