Muldvarpen
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 00:57 |
 
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After some debate on #fumbbl i wanted to hear if it was able to change the rule saying:
A game is considered to have started at the moment the clients connect. At this point you are committed to the game and must play it out. Note that this includes scenarios where your opponent purchased new players after the mutual agreement to play. This rule does not apply if any of the participants connects with a team other than the one the game was agreed on.
I once played a game where my opponent bought a star player without telling me, and his excuse was:"The rules says i can"
Why is that? Why whas this rule made? I know that we are playing Bloodbowl and all is fair in love and Bloodbowl, but this is no excuse for having no morale... Buying a player after the game has been agreed is way wrong, I say, and should not be allowed on fumbbl.com |
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Samuli
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 01:02 |
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No.
Why is pretty easy. There is no way to proof you disconnected because the opponent bought players after the match was agreed. You could as well have a player niggling, and disconnect - saying that your opponent bought a player after the match was arranged. |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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The rule is like it is as there is no way of knowing when an actual agreement has been made. There is no easy way of confirming the story of a coach who says "He bought a reroll" or "He freebooted a player" or whatever at the point of the game start.
With the rule as it is stated, it's very simple to enforce. If you are worried that an opponent might hire a star, just don't play people who can afford them. |
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Rimmer
Joined: Aug 19, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 01:05 |
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Actually starplayers is bought in the pregamephase in the tabletop game (and that is when you have already decided to play) so why is it even an issue?
I could undertand it if it was about additional players that isn´t "freeboted" since that is supposed to happen in the postgame phase. |
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Darkwolf
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 01:05 |
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peikko
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 01:08 |
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As Samuli said without coding player purchases into post game routines it cannot be done. Purchases are listed as post game phase thou. It would need some coding but I dont think it would be impossible to change fumbbl so that you need to press somesort of "done" after youre done your post game phases to get your team status to changed to ready and after that you could not purhase new players.
But you should be allowed to hire freebooters, wizards and star players after that like the blessed rulebook says. |
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quota
Joined: Nov 24, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 01:41 |
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Problem as I see it is that those rules are meant for tournaments. In a tournament you can't say no to the game no matter what, so wether your opponent buys a Star Player, a wizard or freeboots 6 players doesn't matter. Open is way different; at least it is for me. I would like to see it done, but I don't think it will be. |
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Rimmer
Joined: Aug 19, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 01:56 |
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So you mean that one shouldn´t be able to use the tactical benefit of saving money for one-game-players if you don´t play in a league?
The tactical benefit should be the same as when you play tournamentgames. You decide wether to boost the team for one game or for several. |
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quota
Joined: Nov 24, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 02:05 |
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I'm saying that I play open to play matches for fun. When I agree to a match and my opponent then boosts his team, it's no longer the fun match I wanted to play. |
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peikko
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 02:23 |
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| Irit wrote: | | Problem as I see it is that those rules are meant for tournaments. In a tournament you can't say no to the game no matter what.. |
Hush, back to reading your rulebook under "running a tournament" on page 46. LBR refers tournament systems as
| Living Rulebook page 46 wrote: | | no fixture list is used, instead it is up to coaches to organize the matches themselfs |
On the next page there is also paragraph about refusing challenge |
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quota
Joined: Nov 24, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 02:49 |
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The tournaments in LRB are all open round robin if I remember correctly. I wouldn't see any problem with people buying Star Players in the last minue in a tournament of any kind, yet I still don't see Open Division the same way. |
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peikko
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 03:39 |
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I would like to see another poll about if ppl would like that there would be proper postgame phases on fumbbl. Partly as said earlier one way it could work is:
1) After game you can do your skill rolls and normal purchases. After youre done them you select button "end postgame"
2) After you have selected "end postgame" fumbbl does not give you anymore options to buy new players, apothecaries, cheerleaders, ass coaches or rerolls. Only hiring freebooters, wizards and star players would be possible.
It sounds like it would not be very big alteration to site but I would like to hear word from Christer or Klipp if it is so even before making any polls about it. Althought it might not be big job to add and it doesnt really add much, it would make Fumbbl stick more into LRB rules. |
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MixX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 03:58 |
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I would like this, though it's rarely the buying of a new player that's a problem, it's the fact that you can't respond to an opponent buying a star with buying one of your own, but anyway... that's not the topic here, I'm just mentioning it.. |
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peikko
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2004 - 04:08 |
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| MixX wrote: | | can't respond to an opponent buying a star with buying one of your own, |
True. Any of this wont fix the real problem.
Dont really see any other solution for that than having star hiring option on JBB before the game is actually started and that really sounds pretty big job.
Adding any kinda confirms on accepted game on site sounds way too difficult and anoying more than its worth. |
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CorporateSlave3
Joined: Feb 07, 2004
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Apr 06, 2004 - 04:11 |
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| Irit wrote: | | The tournaments in LRB are all open round robin if I remember correctly. I wouldn't see any problem with people buying Star Players in the last minue in a tournament of any kind, yet I still don't see Open Division the same way. |
I'm not sure where your logic comes from exactly - the LRB begins to discuss leagues (open format) on page 38, and Tournaments have their own chapter on page 46 - I don't see how the league rules - such as hiring freebooters - are 'designed for tournaments' in any way.
Of course, the sanity of hiring a freebooter outside of a tournament, since nothing much is on the line for the single open game, could be debated. Unless of course it is to smack a particular rival, or manage TR by tossing cash out the door.
Muldvarpen:
But in any case this poll should be more specific - buying a player after agreeing insinuates that they are buying new position players which should NOT be done after agreeing to a match, but the major beef seems to be with someone hiring a freebooted star after the match is agreed, which is the way the game is meant to be, and in agreement with the LRB.
I'm going to have to side with the LRB and Rimmer on this. Besides, like Christer said, it's easy to tell if someone has the cash to hire a star, cherry pick your way around them if you must.
Sorry for ranting on this again (new thread though!) I really should stay off of Fumbbl when I'm in an ornery mood...*sigh* |
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