Muktar
Joined: Dec 02, 2012
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Aug 05, 2013 - 22:00 |
 
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My friend and I were thinking about it a lot and we though maybe have something like rat ogres but actually them for Eshin. Make them 6428 loner, frenzy, MB Skill access S (GAPM) Quantity 0-2, cost 100-90k not really certain on the price point. |
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Kharnete
Joined: Dec 26, 2007
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Aug 05, 2013 - 22:37 |
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My turn:
Eshin
Yes on the extra AV, especially for the Assassin.
No on the lower cost.
Gnoblar
Yes, and I don't think it would be a big deal. It shouldn't be a lot of them on pitch unless the rest of your team is out (3 biggies and 6 positionals)... and in that case you are in trouble either with av7 or av6.
Skryre
No. They are killing things, not rat centaurs. If they want to dodge they just need to get break tackle instead a killing skill on the first 3 rolls.
Forest Goblin
Yes.
Chaos Halflings
Yes. |
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ahalfling
Joined: Aug 16, 2008
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Aug 05, 2013 - 22:39 |
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***FOREST GOBLIN***
Stikkas - 1-3 players
I don't like the idea of any 1-3 positional. I would prefer some other option. |
Just for the sake of argument -- Stunty already has multiple 1-3 positionals. Fenbeasts, Snotling trolls, Snotling goons. (You could say gnoblar ogres, but those are technically three one-ofs.)
Then again, two of those three are big guys... and two of them are snotlings, so that's hardly a ringing endorsement for this roster design.  |
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ahalfling
Joined: Aug 16, 2008
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Aug 05, 2013 - 22:58 |
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| Muktar wrote: | | My friend and I were thinking about it a lot and we though maybe have something like rat ogres but actually them for Eshin. Make them 6428 loner, frenzy, MB Skill access S (GAPM) Quantity 0-2, cost 100-90k not really certain on the price point. |
That would make more sense as part of a Clan Moulder list, no?
(Not trying to hijack the conversation.) |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Aug 05, 2013 - 23:14 |
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| ahalfling wrote: | | Muktar wrote: | | My friend and I were thinking about it a lot and we though maybe have something like rat ogres but actually them for Eshin. Make them 6428 loner, frenzy, MB Skill access S (GAPM) Quantity 0-2, cost 100-90k not really certain on the price point. |
That would make more sense as part of a Clan Moulder list, no?
(Not trying to hijack the conversation.) |
indeed, rat ogres would go no where near eshin. or rather Eshin would go no where near Rat Ogres |
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Muktar
Joined: Dec 02, 2012
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Aug 05, 2013 - 23:33 |
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To me right now, look at the Eshin vs Forest Goblins. What does the Eshin have over the gobbos? 3 MA and a Claw vs 8 AV, 2Str, 2 Tents, 2 FA and 1 more GA access player. I don't want to add something that would just make them a carbon copy of the forest goblins that is the only real reason why I suggested a BGish position. Or a position in general with M access. |
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ahalfling
Joined: Aug 16, 2008
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Aug 06, 2013 - 00:57 |
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That's a weird comparison, though... Eshin's not really that much like the forest goblins. (Except that both have players with stab...) They're a lot more like skinks. Also, the forest goblins already have a "mini-big guy" type positional (the spider), so adding one to the Eshin roster would actually make them MORE like the FGs, not less.
I mean, all this is secondary to the point that a rat ogre doesn't belong on Eshin fluffwise. Eshin probably needs strengthening, sure, but they should strengthen in the direction of the roster (not strong or resilient, but skilled and stealthy). Not sure what the solution is -- AV boosts and cost drops, as suggested? G access on the stalkers? Both? A third thing? -- but making Eshin a different roster seems like a different solution. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Aug 06, 2013 - 00:58 |
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They have ag4 as well and a non stunty player for passing. Maybe giving the assassin P access would be cool. |
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B_SIDE
Joined: Apr 24, 2008
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Aug 06, 2013 - 02:22 |
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| Quote: | | NOTE: This topic is JUST for these suggestions. If it was open to all suggestions it would be a 40 page mess quickly. Posts on other ideas will be ignored and possibly deleted. |
I'll save my own ideas on Eshin for another thread. |
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ahalfling
Joined: Aug 16, 2008
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Aug 06, 2013 - 03:14 |
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Fair enough. In that case, I'll limit my answer on that one to "in favor, but I don't think it will be enough." |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Aug 06, 2013 - 07:13 |
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| Muktar wrote: | | My friend and I were thinking about it a lot and we though maybe have something like rat ogres but actually them for Eshin. Make them 6428 loner, frenzy, MB Skill access S (GAPM) Quantity 0-2, cost 100-90k not really certain on the price point. |
Couldn't help yourself could you? The thread now needs a major clean up.
NOTE: This topic is JUST for these suggestions. If it was open to all suggestions it would be a 40 page mess quickly. Posts on other ideas will be ignored and possibly deleted. |
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Narlgoth
Joined: Mar 22, 2012
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Aug 16, 2013 - 01:47 |
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***ESHIN***
Assassin - AV7
NRs - AV7
Adepts - 35 (-5)
Specifically regarding above changes AV7 would be very handy. I think all the positionals would benefit from it if you are going to do it. AV6 across the roster tends to mean these guys are mopped off the pitch in first few turns against some teams. I've started 2nd half with all positionals out and only 5 Adepts left against a nigh full team of weapons/big guys and my heart just sinks.
Price decrease is a bit meh as far as I'm concerned. I haven't (as of yet) needed nearly any of the money I have earned, as with no BGs or expensive weapons to eat the team treasury I've found Eshin quite economical. I'd rather see a boost to Adepts to equal their value then make them even cheaper!
Eshin skill access is horrible (one G access), giving Eshin almost no future prospect.
My alternative is keep Adept price the same and give them +1MA OR let ALL Eshin players get Mutation Access (representing honed Ninja Skills!). If Mutation access then no to +AV for positional players. It would certainly give Eshin a unique and fun flavour.
***GNOBLAR***
Gnoblars - AV6
I don't think this team needs changing at all.
AV7 is something I like about these guys- they are slow and ST1- they spend most of the time being bullied and lying face down in the dirt but they STAY ALIVE so you often have half a team for 2nd half.
This makes them a slow stamina team (a bit like Dwarves), and trust me they need it because as awesome and scary as 3 big guys sounds on paper they aren't as amazing as they seem in reality!
Those Ogres bungle all your rolls with loner and I think I've actually only managed to field all 3 in maybe half of my games. Usually at least 1 of the 3 Ogres is misses a match because they attract weapons, other big guys and gang fouls like flies to a dog turd. I've had all 3 cleared off the pitch on more then one occasion!
***SKRYRE***
Mechavermin - AG2
I have done terribly with my Skyre both before and after last years changes so this change will make very little difference either way to me (honestly can't see why everyone thinks the team is so overpowered- I've proved they are just as bad as any other Leeg team  )!
AG1/AG2? They should be bashers through and through so I guess keeping AG1 would make this a sure thing...
I'd personally like to see the team reimaged as I described a while back, but obviously that's another story.
***FOREST GOBLIN***
Stikkas - 1-3 players
Forest Goblins seem to have become one of the top teams for success. Can't tell if that's because more people are playing them or because they are too good.
I wouldn't be opposed to knocking stabbas down to 3, but honestly I don't notice them- its the two road block spiders and 2 G access Hypno Gaze dudes that I hate more! When Stab works its awesome, when it fails its usually flippin terrible...
***CHAOS HALFLINGS***
Chaos Halfings – 40 (+5)
I agree with this, I was thinking about the C Flings the other day and how awesome they are for build options compared to the average Leeg team. I say hike them and make them pay for having that lovely M access! |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Sep 11, 2013 - 21:45 |
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It seems there is nothing so broken that everyone is screaming for a change, which is a good thing. There are one or two that might be worth following, but are fine for now.
Many thanks for all your feedback! |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Sep 11, 2013 - 21:52 |
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having played a fair bit with Eshin recently. I certainly feel the Assassin needs +av.
That aside I think its okay. I wouldnt mind VLL on the stalkers mind, something to give them a little bit of hope against bombs would be very nice. |
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