zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Apr 21, 2016 - 19:29 |
 
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| Diddyboy wrote: | | if you are allowed to remove negatraits then we have the question of vampires. to get rid of bloodlust is huge and well worth 40-60k |
This is a different question, and the rule as suggested by WB would only apply to Big Guys, which don't include vampires.
On the other hand, Vamps hardly have any decent double choice, so that would add some new horizons for the team. Some would argue that it would make them too powerful, but it's not that the team is overpowered to begin with. |
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Odin1981
Joined: Jan 09, 2012
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Apr 21, 2016 - 19:32 |
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I'd pay 30k to take off really stupid on a BoN. 60k is hogwash. More than a +str for making a BG not a burden? Really? No skills or stats with a selection. Just removal of a trait that probably shouldn't be there at all.
Outside of 5-6 teams in the entire game BG's aren't worth there tv. And they get even more inefficient with the option. So you add 60k just to make them reliable and with that alone all of them except trolls are 200 tv+ just for that? |
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Arktoris
Joined: Feb 16, 2004
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Apr 21, 2016 - 19:37 |
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obviously some negatraits are worse than others. I'd be fine with 20k and normal roll. Opens up the variety on big buys.
though I can see that being too light on vampires. |
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spubbbba
Joined: Jul 31, 2006
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Apr 21, 2016 - 19:53 |
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Well we already have examples of big guys with the loner negatrait removed.
How do the ogre team ogres and fling team treemen compare to their human/chaos pact and wood elf counterparts? |
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zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Apr 21, 2016 - 20:01 |
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| spubbbba wrote: | Well we already have examples of big guys with the loner negatrait removed.
How do the ogre team ogres and fling team treemen compare to their human/chaos pact and wood elf counterparts? |
uh completely forgot about trees. Getting rid of take root would be a thing too. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Apr 21, 2016 - 20:21 |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Apr 21, 2016 - 20:21 |
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more seriously, it's a double, so 30k |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Apr 21, 2016 - 20:57 |
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If this is based on my rule suggestions, remember big guys can get 2x mighty blow. I can't remember what else right now,maybe cost breaks. The removal on top of that makes them more and more viable. |
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plasmoid
Joined: Nov 03, 2009
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Apr 21, 2016 - 21:26 |
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AFAIK in the pricing guide the negaskills only give a 10-20k discount. Maybe that's one of the reasons that Big guys feel so overcosted.
Anyway, voted 40K. I think. |
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zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Apr 21, 2016 - 21:28 |
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i feel there have been some interesting thoughts in this thread. Maybe we could consider Loner and the rest of negatraits separatedly. Loner adds unreliability and general uselesness to the team, while the rest of the negatraits are important character and fluff skills.
Suggestion would be that Remove Loner is a normal skill (20k) and that Remove Negatrait is a double skill (30k). |
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plasmoid
Joined: Nov 03, 2009
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Apr 21, 2016 - 22:49 |
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I've played several long seasons back in the day with Big Guys who could use rerolls.
IMO it is a bigger deal than you'd think.
The ability to take that GFI, to block earlier in the turn, and even to reroll when you need a knockdown... It felt like a huge deal when we went back to 'loner'.
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mister__joshua
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
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I dislike the concept of Loner, except for on journeymen. I don't think Big Guys should have it. That said, I think it's the worst negatrait next to Wild Animal, and removing it should be as valuable. I think they should all be doubles really.
I'd allow it on Vamps too. It's great for them, but competing with a lot of other skills and stats. Would you remove BL over +Str or +Ma on a vamp if you rolled double 5 or 6? Tough call |
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Medon
Joined: Jan 28, 2015
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Apr 21, 2016 - 23:21 |
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What about getting rid of secret weapon on a death roller. That would be AWESOME!!! Same applies to goblin fanatic. |
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Sutherlands
Joined: Aug 01, 2009
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Apr 21, 2016 - 23:44 |
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People seem to be assuming that all skills are equal worth to all players. Or even that all skills have equal worth. It should have the same cost as a double. At 50k it would be a trap. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Apr 22, 2016 - 01:03 |
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Talking about rolls, and what you'd align negtrait removal. I'm now personally playing: normals, doubles, + MA, ST, AG the same, but +AV on a 9 and traits on an 8 and I absolutely love it. |
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