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mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Aug 10, 2018 - 20:00 Reply with quote Back to top

For the longest time I followed the conventional wisdom of guard first. And for the longest time I was left unsatisfied by the experience.

So I created Nuffle's Bartenders where the first skill bar the Roller was always Mighty Blow. And the results have been much better than my other dwarf team so far.

Now I talked to Bazakastine and he reckoned it could just be a fluke given the small amount of games. He also reckoned it could be that it fits my style and also taking the Roller can help with a lack of guard simply by consuming 2-3 players at a time and Guard being his first skill bar Stats or Dubs. I reckoned that part of it is that I really do a lot better when I have a man advantage in front of me, and while that's probably true for most coaches, it's much more true for me as a coach.

What has your experience been if you've tried both? Why do you think this fits me more than guard first? And would my experience sway anyone who is staunchly in the 'guard first' mode of operation?
FinnDiesel



Joined: Mar 07, 2018

Post   Posted: Aug 10, 2018 - 21:38 Reply with quote Back to top

I think you should have guard and mb evenly, to have a balanced team. My suggestion.

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mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Aug 10, 2018 - 22:31 Reply with quote Back to top

FinnDiesel wrote:
I think you should have guard and mb evenly, to have a balanced team. My suggestion.


Would you just alternate or have quotas for the team? More infos!
Zirgantz



Joined: May 30, 2017

Post   Posted: Aug 10, 2018 - 23:16 Reply with quote Back to top

Back when my beard was still weak and I used to play dorfs before discovering the noble and dignified Khemri way, I used a 2-to-1 guard-to-MB ratio for the first skill of my LBs, starting with a MB. That's just me though.
garyt1



Joined: Mar 12, 2011

Post   Posted: Aug 11, 2018 - 02:30 Reply with quote Back to top

Without guards wont you struggle to get 2DBs against sides like Chaos, Orcs and Nurgle? Though against other s3 sides probably the mighty blow will get you the players up to then turn the screw.

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smallman



Joined: Sep 24, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 11, 2018 - 03:39 Reply with quote Back to top

Having 1MB asap on a blitzer or troll slayer greatly increases the chances of doing good damage, and should be first priority for dwarf
Kondor



Joined: Apr 04, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 11, 2018 - 05:37 Reply with quote Back to top

I've done both. In order to get games in Ranked play I avoided MB almost completely and went Guard and then Stand Firm on the entire team. 16/6/6

In the box I started with Mb first but found that the MB players outpaced the TV on the rest of the team too quickly putting too much emphasis on the success or failure of one or two players. I am trying to even it out now with more Guard/Stand Firm. 37/24/15. Granted most of those games were in a Piling On environment.

My Black Box tournament team is 9/7/4 so it takes a little while to get it going.

Few players have really faced a team of mass Stand Firm. It is an obstacle that is not easily countered.
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