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Kam



Joined: Nov 06, 2012

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 15:17 Reply with quote Back to top

Well, it's a simple question, and you can shame me for asking but...

You can't lose the same stat more than twice. But how does it work when you previously had the same +stat?

A very, very, concrete exemple (and no, I won't retire him nomatter what): https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=10390331

+MA*2, +AG*2

Will he be immune to stat losses at MA5AG3, or at MA3AG1?

EDIT - And by that I mean, how does it work on FUMMBL app of course.

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ArthurWynne



Joined: Sep 23, 2015

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 15:27 Reply with quote Back to top

I am pretty sure it's the former. Stat busts don't "cancel" stat ups, they are counted independently.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 15:53 Reply with quote Back to top

No characteristic may be reduced by more than 2 points or below a value of 1.
Any injuries that could reduce it further are ignored.


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Kam



Joined: Nov 06, 2012

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 15:55 Reply with quote Back to top

That would be good news. Again, I won't retire this guys till he dies, nomatter how a TV bloat he is. But I wanted to know whether I should pick -MA or not next time rolls -MA/apo niggle.

EDIT - He's only lost -MA so far but you see the picture.

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 16:03 Reply with quote Back to top

What don't you understand?
Let's assume a MA 5 Halfling gets +2 MA (so, he has MA 7):
if he suffers -1 MA he has MA 6;
if he suffers -2 MA he has MA 5;
if he suffers -3 MA or further he still has MA 5, i.e. he's immune from MA stat loss when he drops to MA 5.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 17:02 Reply with quote Back to top

Hmm. That is not the way I understand it. If I am reading you correctly.

Quote:
No characteristic may ever be increased by more than 2 points over
its starting value


I'd say no immunity. You keep going up and down as long as you don't go to more than +/-2 or over 10 or under 1

To me, the guy can still go down as far as 3.

I dunno what Fumbbl does. Does anyone have a +/-3 ma player?

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Timetis



Joined: Mar 31, 2014

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 17:12 Reply with quote Back to top

Unless the order of things matters, this guy is the answer:

https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=8492700
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 18:38 Reply with quote Back to top

Timetis wrote:
Unless the order of things matters, this guy is the answer:

https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=8492700


I don't think that the order matters. I think the site stores them all. So, he'd need another 6 +MAs to get back to MA8. Mr. Green

That is just speculation though. Wink

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NickNutria



Joined: Jul 25, 2006

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 18:57 Reply with quote Back to top

I've got a similar Player https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=12859449. Can he roll a third time +ma, after he rolled 2x +ma and hurt himself with -ma?
Kryten



Joined: Sep 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Feb 12, 2020 - 23:20
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I had such a player, and at the time the interpretation was bugged Smile

https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=player&op=view&player_id=7589033

"With his health failing, Achilles pressed on toward Legendary status. Match 66 brought yet another leg injury, and answered the question we all had about a player with -MA -MA -MA +MA - Fumbbl displayed him with MA6, but FFB calculated him to have MA7. Achilles wrote a bug report about it."
spinball



Joined: Jul 01, 2004

Post   Posted: Feb 13, 2020 - 12:38 Reply with quote Back to top

if a Saurus Rolled +ag after getting suffering a -ag injury would the saurus have a 1 agility or a 2 agility?
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Feb 13, 2020 - 12:49 Reply with quote Back to top

spinball wrote:
if a Saurus Rolled +ag after getting suffering a -ag injury would the saurus have a 1 agility or a 2 agility?


"No characteristic may be reduced by more than 2 points or below a value of 1.
Any injuries that could reduce it further are ignored."

According to the rule as it is written, an AG 1 Saurus ignores any -AG injury, so he should have AG 2, while an AG 2 Saurus could lose AG and drop to AG 1, of course (and at that stage, he would ignore any -AG decreases).
Otherwise, the rule is just badly written.
In the rule there is no mention of total algebric calculation of stacking bonus and malus points.
If algebric calculation were involved, no injury would be ignored.
This is what logical analysis of the rule suggests to me.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Feb 13, 2020 - 17:21 Reply with quote Back to top

IMO, that is open to interpretation. See my Quote earlier.

I don't think that means "ignored" as in "discarded". It means "ignored" as in "cannot take the value below 1"

See this dude. It may work differently because I faked it, but I doubt it.

I gave him -ag. Of course he stayed at ag 1. I gave him +ag. He's still ag 1.
I consider that correct.

The -ag is not discarded. It "ignored" as in it just doesn't take the value below 1.

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ArrestedDevelopment



Joined: Sep 14, 2015

Post   Posted: Feb 13, 2020 - 18:43 Reply with quote Back to top

That's an incorrect interpretation (according to Galak, multiple times on TFF) and a bug then.

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Badoek



Joined: May 17, 2009

Post   Posted: Feb 13, 2020 - 20:08 Reply with quote Back to top

I think we can safely conclude that we're firing way too many players with stat losses. Otherwise we'd have known!
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