SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 24, 2004 - 19:32 |
 
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dumpoff catchers are the bane of any team... give them the ball and spread out the attack... how are you supposed to defend that???
BTW it helps a lot of you are luck on skill rolls like i have been with my faction team so far!  |
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Frankie
Joined: Oct 15, 2003
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Aug 24, 2004 - 20:23 |
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Yes, pro elves suck indeed! When their annoying blitzers seem to be indestructable and those sneaky catchers cannot be hunted down and when you sweat through a whole halftime just to fall on some banana hatch in the end and the opponents rush over the field in a single turn well...  |
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Bathoz
Joined: Mar 14, 2004
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Aug 24, 2004 - 20:45 |
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I like pro elves: the total reliance on a long bomb offence is really novel for me.
But: I think the cheap lino's are where the pro elves start to suffer. They're such throw-away players, that you don't end up with the very skillful lineman that make the dark & high elf teams so effective at the higher TR end.
And for a relatively successful elf team in R that doesn't cherry pick:
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&showmatches=1&team_id=65805
Please note the vast number of deaths in the first two games. All that without an apo. Until recently I had a average of one player retired/dead a game. Fun. |
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Renno
Joined: Jun 17, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 00:30 |
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The key players for Pro Elves are the blitzers. You need at least 1 Catcher + 1 Blitzer + Kick Skill to prevent the wedge.
Kick that ball deep and then go get it. 
By second half the bashy teams will pull back 5 players to surround the ball carrier or ball so you're not scoring at will on them.
With 5 players in the back field you now have only 6 near the line to molest. |
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Wombats
Joined: Oct 31, 2003
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Aug 25, 2004 - 01:05 |
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Looking at the win ratios between elf teams playing each other (not representative but a good indication) looks like Woodies>High>Pro>Dark although the difference between Pro and Dark is small. |
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Glomp
Joined: Jan 04, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 01:08 |
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I dont think elf bowl is too representative... Odd that darkelves are at the bottom though  |
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tautology
Joined: Jan 30, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 01:35 |
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I dont think elf bowl is too representative... Odd that darkelves are at the bottom though
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Dark Elves are pretty weak at lower TRs, which is where most games are played. They are also "popular" so n00bs will often field them as their first elven team (decent AV makes them a bit more forgiving and they have a certain "coolness factor" that high elves lack). High proportion of n00b coaches = lots of losses.
At least that's my theory
I still think Dark Elves are a potentially great team at the 250+ level, and lots of fun to play. Decent matchups against every opponent, especially if you manage to have 3 or 4 guards. |
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AFK_Eagle
Joined: Mar 12, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 02:01 |
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My dark elves had me scratching my head...they started their career playing vs nurgles, dwarves, chaos, norse...and not only winning, but out-casing them to boot! Get up to about TR 215 or so, and all of a sudden I start to lose players at an alarming rate...to other elven teams!!! Go fig... |
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Ash
Joined: Feb 03, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 02:33 |
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Just think about that one
Take Dump Off for each double on catcher...
Take NoS for each double on thrower and then dump off...
Off course you need to play 2 or 3 light game for one against human/orc/chaos and avoid dwarf team but if you take dodge for first lino skill i m sure you can realy make it.
I m not sure you need to taker more than 3 or 4 reroll anyway... i think it s better to keep money to change lino with niggle and have full roster... |
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Mezir
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 25, 2004 - 10:21 |
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Getting Dump Off and Nerves of Steel across the board is all well and good, but as far as I am aware that doesn't win you any games... A good offence is a must, but it's very easy to get a good offence with elves without resorting to "if you try to take my ball away I'll just throw it to someone else". If you do that your opponent will, if he is any good, most likely resort to "Okay fine, then I cage on your end-zone for six turns while beating the snot out of you before scoring" (I'd do that anyway).
My point here is that a good defence is a lot more important than an unstoppable offence, seeing how the difference between "good offence" (standard) and "unstoppable offence" is almost negligible anyway. Neither Nerves of Steel nor Dump Off are a big help on defence. Getting a Guard/Leap combo is probably a better idea... |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 10:32 |
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I agree... Guard Leap Sidestep and you'll be VERY ANNOYING to play against. |
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tautology
Joined: Jan 30, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 10:41 |
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My point here is that a good defence is a lot more important than an unstoppable offence, seeing how the difference between "good offence" (standard) and "unstoppable offence" is almost negligible anyway. Neither Nerves of Steel nor Dump Off are a big help on defence. Getting a Guard/Leap combo is probably a better idea...
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Just thought these wise words deserved repeating.
Defense wins games. In a well played game of elf ball, you'll be on offense exactly once, but you'll be on defence 3-5 times.  |
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Znail
Joined: Jun 30, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 11:48 |
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| tautology wrote: | | Quote: |
My point here is that a good defence is a lot more important than an unstoppable offence, seeing how the difference between "good offence" (standard) and "unstoppable offence" is almost negligible anyway. Neither Nerves of Steel nor Dump Off are a big help on defence. Getting a Guard/Leap combo is probably a better idea...
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Just thought these wise words deserved repeating.
Defense wins games. In a well played game of elf ball, you'll be on offense exactly once, but you'll be on defence 3-5 times. |
Defence is deffinitly the key to winning games with large number of goals. But I personaly find Dump Off to be alot better for defence then offence. During offence so can you generaly score without it. But at defence so will you often get the ball without being able to score directly and have a need to hold onto the ball for a turn within blitz range, this is where Dump Off is best.
Nerves of Steel is almost always a help during Offence, but its far from useless during Defence too. |
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Lorion
Joined: Feb 04, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 12:28 |
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Great way to use dump off... Znail. Get the player to posses the ball and then place another player close by. Still I can't see how often this will happen though it is a great idea for a pro-elf tactic. I usually just yell at the randomizer until I get dice rolls that are good enough... Hey, it works. |
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SonofSharkboy
Joined: Feb 04, 2004
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Aug 25, 2004 - 12:56 |
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I can't agree enough with what a few of you are saying in regards to defense being the key. I finally rolled a double with my Elf team I linked to in a previous post. My first thought was dump-off but then I had to ask myself the following: I've a passer with pass, accurate, strong arm, safethrow, sure he won't live forever, but how often do I need to run the ball where a dump-off will even be needed? Then I thought about playing defense and the number of times I've knocked the ball clear only to have nowhere to 'clear' it to that would be safe. Maybe having the dump-off guy handy is what I needed. What do the rest of you think? Should I be taking dumpoff on this catcher?
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&team_id=72507 |
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