littleoctagon
Joined: Feb 01, 2005
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Mar 21, 2005 - 00:48 |
 
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I here you on the luck/unluck position. Yet just like those little hand-held poker (or blackjack, yahtzee, etc) video games, java blood bowl has to have some sort of algorithm that does it's best to mimic "random". In playing table-top BB, in some games, I have never seen as many one's, skulls, and/or pushbacks for my team and as many knock-downs, knock-outs, injuries, and other successes for the other team-EVER. And to prove that I am not just full of sour grapes, I have seen it work on my behalf too. I can't remember which game it was, but I had one coach nearly frothing at the mouth and gibbering with insane disbelief in a match where it seemed, I could not fail a roll. Makes me think I should make some sort of spread-sheet or checklist and start checking probability-would probably show that some games go beyond luck, some games might be screwed by the program from the very start. But THAT could just be sour grapes, heh |
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public_Bob
Joined: Feb 03, 2004
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Mar 21, 2005 - 00:54 |
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is it just me or does it seem that when you gfi it is more like a 5+ roll than a 2+? Seriously when compared to all other rolls i see way more failed rerolled failed gfis than anything else, both in my favour and against me. Seriously i am nervious trying to go for it even if i am not holding the ball and i have sure feet and a spare reroll! |
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Cloggy
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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Mar 21, 2005 - 00:59 |
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Depends what you are GFI-ing for. If it's the game winning TD GFI into the endzone, then yes. There is a -4 modifier on the dice roll for that |
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origami
Joined: Oct 14, 2003
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Mar 21, 2005 - 02:56 |
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| littleoctagon wrote: | | In playing table-top BB, in some games, I have never seen as many one's, skulls, and/or pushbacks for my team and as many knock-downs, knock-outs, injuries, and other successes for the other team-EVER. |
People tend to play more games on fumbbl than they ever manage on tabletop. More games means that you are more likely to see those extremes of luck. I imagine that if somebody played 500 tabletop games, they would see plenty of what you are describing. |
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MiBasse
Joined: Dec 04, 2004
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Mar 21, 2005 - 03:14 |
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I've only played a few table-top games but in them I have managed to see luck just as bad as anything on FUMBBL. In my very first game I actually managed to fail almost every single GFI - even with RR. Stopped me from GFI for quite a while. People are just paranoid and the fact that they have something else to blame than themselves concerning the way the dice go just adds to this feeling.
If you don't believe it there is a log-file for all your games that show how many rolls of each kind has been made in each game. Just can't remember where it is... |
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zredna
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 21, 2005 - 03:27 |
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I once played a TT game where we tyed to pick up the ball for 4 turns he a sure hand dwarf runner, and I managed to send down a DE blizer after he missed for 2 turns so the extreams happen in TT as well. It was a total of 12 rolles of one and two to pick upp the ball. One in a million chanse but it can happen.
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AWAD
Joined: Feb 27, 2005
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Mar 21, 2005 - 03:43 |
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| Dys wrote: | I've played bloodbowl quite a lot against mainly one friend, who is far too lucky for a fair game but aside from his bonus jam, I have such evil luck I can only assume the above. Bloodbowl in some gestalt form has a distinct dislike of me.
I'm starting to feel paranoid. :s |
For me it is failing all the easy pushes and dodges that kills me. Skills or RR, does not matter, need 2+ fail em both. Then some point in the game, and usally once, GR blitzes with 3 negative dice go all BANG/POW, or Hail Mary that deviates onto another, or fumble that ends up in my hands with 4 TZs around. My jaw and the oppeneant drops, then we see me blow the simple crap that gets me in these freaking jams anyway.
It is the amount of SI and deaths against me that just blows my mind in this leauge. It seems I am way ahead of the 1 in 36 death count for failed armor rolls.
AWAD- Screw Nuffle and the Dark Lords, no more sacrifices from me, Guido is my new man |
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mstrchef13
Joined: Dec 11, 2004
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Mar 21, 2005 - 13:20 |
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Everything in blood bowl is a 50/50 proposition, so I'm not sure what all the whining is about. You go into every dice roll knowing either you're going to fail or make it. My AG5 elf is either going to make this dodge (2+) or fail (1). Two choices, two outcomes. 50/50 shot.
I'm still calling for a "throw the dice out the window" button on the client. |
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nportela
Joined: Aug 18, 2004
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Mar 21, 2005 - 15:04 |
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| Farinroderel wrote: | | Dys wrote: | | Shame he died on the first turn, leaving my team weaker after the match than before. |
FYI: He died during your opponent's second turn. |
BAH!!! trying to fool us?? so he died only in your opponent 2nd turn..and you were complaining!!!
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Dys
Joined: Mar 19, 2005
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Apr 11, 2005 - 01:33 |
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Ah, hell, I don't remember things that well. It was one of the first things that happened is all I remember.
Since then I've played a number of games with a variety of teams and it's reminded me the feeling is mutual.
Bloodbowl just annoys the hell out of me.
Sure, I'm not that good a coach, but even the best must despair when you just can't do anything right, no matter what.
As for how random the game is, I don't know, though it would be interesting to compile statistics, or rather have the game do it automatically. Chances of success vs actual success is the key ratio.
Computers can generate random numbers from white noise, making sure the results are truly random, but I don't know how the bbclient does it. |
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Captain1821
Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Apr 11, 2005 - 03:09 |
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I had a game were I was having one dice pows while my opponent was losing his players on double and triple skulls
edit: who wants to play with me? |
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danielcollins
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
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Apr 11, 2005 - 03:14 |
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I once had a halfling player die................ |
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danielcollins
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
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Apr 11, 2005 - 03:15 |
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He was trying to block an ogre on his own............... |
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danielcollins
Joined: Apr 04, 2005
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Apr 11, 2005 - 03:15 |
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Dys
Joined: Mar 19, 2005
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Apr 11, 2005 - 10:15 |
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hmm, -3 dice. Assuming no skills, his chances of hurting himself were 1/3 on each dice, av5 is 29/36 chance of injury, 3/36 chance of death for a stunty player, don't think halflings get any more injury pluses than that...
0.047 chance of death. About 1/20 I believe.
Of course whether or not you believe that to be unlucky is entirely a matter of choice. If he'd tried it more than once he'd be an idiot but I think he had an ok chance of surviving...
Certainly better than russian roulette. 
p.s. If anyone feels like correcting the result, feel free, I won't take offense. |
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