Jasonian
Joined: Mar 04, 2005
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Apr 05, 2005 - 14:18 |
 
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I dont understand all this talk about high elf catchers when pro elf catchers are clearly better. same stats same # allowed on the team only difference is NOS on the pro elf to start with |
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Nordmark
Joined: Sep 09, 2004
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Apr 05, 2005 - 14:23 |
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Because High Elves are thougher. Having AV8 on the rest of the team is a good way to keep your players on the field. Durability over Flashy skills. |
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xen7ric
Joined: Jan 13, 2005
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Apr 05, 2005 - 14:38 |
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Oh yeah. Pro Elf catchers are undoubtedly better than HE catchers but if you're playing Ranked then durability is vital in the long run.
S' why I'm playing Pro Elves in my next tournament, only 5-6 games to play and the team retires (probably half dead but with mostly wins under it's belt). |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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Apr 05, 2005 - 14:58 |
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If you want durability, you'd go for darkelfs anyway. 4 times 8 3 4 7 Catch certainly isn't as good as 4 times 7 3 4 8 Block, not to mention that the remaining 2 witch elves start out with 2 traits each.
So high elves are definitely on the bottom of the list for me, that additional movement point in comparison to the dark elves simply isn't worth it - 7 is enough for a non gfi td in 2 turns and 8 is too low to develop a cozy one turner.
As for durability in general: With any elf team you need to avoid standing next to the bashers of the other side, but when you do and something bad happens, the 10k price difference from the lineman and throwers comes in handy. |
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Slick
Joined: Jul 03, 2004
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Apr 05, 2005 - 15:31 |
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Well let's look at the stats:
Elf games: 15858 record: 45 / 16 / 39 TD: -0.19 CAS: -1.19
Wood Elf games: 52808 record: 45 / 16 / 40 TD: -0.28 CAS: -1.29
High Elf games: 29724 record: 41 / 17 / 42 TD: -0.44 CAS: -0.74
Dark Elf games: 51885 record: 42 / 17 / 42 TD: -0.47 CAS: -0.62
There you have it Pro Elves are the best at winning, and Dark Elves are the best at living. On the other hand more than 3 times as many games have been played by DE so it's hard to tell how good the Pros really are, but I think you get the point. |
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Tor_AlKir
Joined: Oct 10, 2003
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Apr 05, 2005 - 15:48 |
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Just depends on what style you like to play. I play both DE and Pro elves. The stats don't lie, Pros are flashier but darkies have a better longevity. If you win games and keep increasing your FF, the money should be there to replace the dead and injured ones. My Pro Elves have lost 8 catchers to one thing or another. They still win and if the money is there (FF 22) they just keep on truckin. Always somebody behind them ready to get blodge/dump-off. |
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Captain1821
Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Apr 05, 2005 - 15:56 |
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I like DE for their av8. |
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tza
Joined: Aug 25, 2004
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Apr 05, 2005 - 15:59 |
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well it depends on wether you only do elf bowl really:p
DEs can play other teams as well with quite alot of success, as can HEs. But of those 2, my money's still on the DEs. |
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SixFootDwarf
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 05, 2005 - 16:05 |
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And they'll always NEED someone behind them to get blodge/dumpoff, cuz they die a LOT! haha
I used to have the "broken" Pro Elf team with 2 dumpoff Catchers, 3 ST4 linemen and sick Blitzers. Know what happened to them?? AV7 happened to them. Opponents happened. Those of you that say Pro Elves are broken haven't tried to play them beyond 30 games or so. Unless your FF goes up after every other game you're not gonna make any money after a while. And your armor isn't gonna get any better. To make Pro Elves work long term you have to be a manager...and a GOOD coach.
Yeah Pro Catchers are better than HE Catchers. But they're more expensive and the team around them isn't as good. Pro Blitzers and Catchers are both more expensive than their HE counterparts and that's good early, but later it hurts. Sure a Pro Blitzer starts with another skill, but the difference between a Pro with 6 skills and a HE with 5 is negligible at best. And at higher TR Pros are gonna get busted.
Dark Elves aren't as flashy, but they can live and let die.
Woodies are crap without Wardancers...and all it takes is a tackler and a dirty to cripple them. |
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Frankie
Joined: Oct 15, 2003
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Apr 05, 2005 - 16:12 |
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Obviously, elves need the less skill of a coach. All teams suck!  |
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Jasonian
Joined: Mar 04, 2005
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Apr 05, 2005 - 23:16 |
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Why does an elf coach need less skill? Its quite hard to set up and keep players alive while trying to stop the opponent from scoring. |
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Emphasy
Joined: Jun 14, 2004
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Apr 05, 2005 - 23:20 |
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Dark Elf, but then again - those are the only elfs i ever had some real luck with, slow but great defense and some nice players to start with |
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AFK_Eagle
Joined: Mar 12, 2004
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Apr 05, 2005 - 23:33 |
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Haven't played pro elves much, maybe half a dozen. My HE experiment lasted 20-25 games, but I just got bored with them. Between darkies and woodies, I had better success with darkies but more fun with woodies. Sure, it was frustrating as all get out trying to keep woodies alive, but no other team, except maybe skaven, have I had better success scoring (and winning!) with a bare handful of players on-pitch. |
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origami
Joined: Oct 14, 2003
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Apr 06, 2005 - 00:45 |
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Pro Elves don't work nearly as well at higher TR. I like to keep mine below TR 200. It makes replacing players much easier, and there is less tackle to pull down your blodgers. I would imagine that they would make an excellent team for the short term or in a no progression tourney. |
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Flynn
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 06, 2005 - 01:01 |
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I voted Wood Elves because they are the best through 150 tr because of the wardancers who get stripball first game instead of dodge
the catchers make them the best through 200 tr because they are as fast as gutters and can play just as good defense
and they are the only elves that can put av 10 on the line to take hits for them
dark elves are the best past 200 or 250 tr but wood elves dont really get that high very often, they take injuries which keep them at or around 200 tr which is where they're the best |
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